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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread #34969 07/08/2001 6:40 AM Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 3,409 Max Quordlepleen Carpal Tunnel Max Quordlepleen Carpal Tunnel Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 3,409 Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Shelley #34970 07/08/2001 5:24 PM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 wwh Carpal Tunnel wwh Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 Dear Max: I took a look at Shelley's bio in encyclopedia. He was expelled from Oxford at the end of one year because of a publication "The Necessity of Atheism". I wonder how the ideas so shocking then would sound today P.S. Does his middle name "Bysshe" rhyme with "fish"?. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Shelley #34971 07/08/2001 6:05 PM Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 1,094 Cincinnati & Loveland, Ohio, U... Jazzoctopus old hand Jazzoctopus old hand Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 1,094 Cincinnati & Loveland, Ohio, U... I wonder how the ideas so shocking then would sound today Well, in the US at least, religion is stronger than ever. Bush the Elder even said that atheists were inherently un-American (even though many of the founders were more or less atheists.) I think Bysshe is pronounced with a long "i" sound. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Shelley #34972 07/08/2001 6:34 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 2,661 Chicago musick Carpal Tunnel musick Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 2,661 Chicago Since my definition of 'American', the one the founding fathers attempted to protect, has nothing to do with religion (in theory), atheists being un-American is more or less BS. The only reason religion is more widespread (not "stronger" as you may suggest) is the increase in folks and peoples who claim to be religious... not actually understand or follow the doctorines to which they have defaulted. Thanks for the poem Max... I feel all warm and fuzzy inside! Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Shelley #34973 07/08/2001 7:13 PM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 wwh Carpal Tunnel wwh Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 Dear musick: better to be warm on the inside;, but fuzzy on the outside. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Shelley #34974 07/09/2001 1:22 AM Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 4,189 Rio Grande, Cape May County, N... WhitmanO'Neill Carpal Tunnel WhitmanO'Neill Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 4,189 Rio Grande, Cape May County, N... A favorite P.B. Shelley quote: "I fall upon the thorns of life, I bleed!" Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Shelley #34975 07/09/2001 2:47 PM Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,439 New England, USA wow Carpal Tunnel wow Carpal Tunnel Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,439 New England, USA "To every man conscience is a God." Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Shelley #34976 07/09/2001 3:02 PM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 wwh Carpal Tunnel wwh Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 "To every man conscience is a God." Not every man has a conscience, or if he has one heeds it. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Shelley #34977 07/09/2001 3:06 PM Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,146 Northamptonshire, England Capital Kiwi Carpal Tunnel Capital Kiwi Carpal Tunnel Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,146 Northamptonshire, England Personally, I prefer his wife's writings ... The idiot also known as Capfka ... Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Shelley #34978 07/09/2001 4:05 PM Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,757 maverick Carpal Tunnel maverick Carpal Tunnel Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,757 Personally, I prefer his milkman's... Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Shelley #34979 07/09/2001 8:43 PM Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,146 Northamptonshire, England Capital Kiwi Carpal Tunnel Capital Kiwi Carpal Tunnel Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,146 Northamptonshire, England Don't you mean that his wife preferred his mil ... nah! The idiot also known as Capfka ... Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Shelley #34980 07/09/2001 9:50 PM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 wwh Carpal Tunnel wwh Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 "To every man conscience is a God." According the the encyclopedia, it seems that Shelley's conscience was a bit less than God-like. He left his first wife (reasons not stated) and three weeks after she apparently committed suicide by drowning, married the author of "Frankenstein" with whom he apparently had had an intimate relationship about two years. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Shelley #34981 07/10/2001 4:14 AM Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 4,189 Rio Grande, Cape May County, N... WhitmanO'Neill Carpal Tunnel WhitmanO'Neill Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 4,189 Rio Grande, Cape May County, N... YOU AND ME AND P.B. SHELLEY by Ogden Nash What is life? Life is stepping down a step or sitting in a chair, And it isn't there. Life is not having been told the man has just waxed the floor, It is pulling doors marked PUSH and pushing doors marked PULL and not noticing notices which say PLEASE USE OTHER DOOR. It is when you diagnose a sore throat as an unprepared geopgraphy lesson and send your child weeping to school only to be returned an hour later covered with spots that are indubitably genuine, It is a concert with a trombone soloist filling in for Yehudi Menuhin. Were it not for frustration and humiliation I suppose the human race would get ideas above its station. Somebody once described Shelley as a beautiful and ineffective angel beating his luminous wings against the void in vain, Which is certainly describing with might and main, But probably means that we are all brothers under our pelts, And Shelley went around pulling doors marked PUSH and pushing doors marked PULL just like everybody else. (c) Ogden Nash 1948 Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Shelley #34982 07/10/2001 1:51 PM Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,439 New England, USA wow Carpal Tunnel wow Carpal Tunnel Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,439 New England, USA In his later years Mr. Nash lived on the NH seacoast and could often be seen at the neighborhood lunch counter swapping stories with the locals. A short Nash poem: The Turtle The turtle lives 'twixt plated decks Which practically conceal its sex. I think it clever of the turtle In such a fix to be so fertile. http://www.westegg.com/nash/ fo a selection of his poems.Ogden Nash is one of my favorite poets. Always good for a smile or a laugh and a good antidote for a blue day. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------  Information and announcements  Q&A about words  Wordplay and fun  Words and languages in schools  Miscellany  Weekly Themes  Looking for (writers, speakers,... (Old) Weekly themes. 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