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#34559 07/04/2001 5:19 AM
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I'm looking for a word that means: to state something indirectly by saying that you're not going to mention it, i.e. "I am going to discuss Ted Kennedy tonight without making any references to the tragic death of Mary Jo Kopechne."


#34560 07/04/2001 11:36 AM
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I think the word you want is apophasis.

a·poph·a·sis (ə-pŏf'ə-sĭs)
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Allusion to something by denying that it will be mentioned, as in I will not bring up my opponent's questionable financial dealings.

[Late Latin, from Greek, from apophanai, to say no : apo-, apo- + phanai, to say.]


From Atomica

Thanks to bridget96 for introducing me to this term in one of her posts. Hope you're back soon, b!




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welcome to the board! Thanks for asking, now I know there is a word to describe that wily way of stating something indirectly by saying that you're not going to mention it.

Rapunzel Thanks again for the info. Now tell me, at a party will they run away in droves if I say "you have just committed an apophasis"? Oh, the richness of the language!


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at a party will they run away in droves if I say "you have just committed an apophasis"?

Rapunzel, what a great idea !
The next time I'm bored to tears at a gathering I am going to say : "I hate to mention my condition but I must leave. My chronic apophasis is acting up."


Hello jimbo! Wecome to the Board. Thanks for a neat query.



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Dear wow: remember Walter Mitty: "Coreopsis is setting in."


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apophasis

And I was going to say parale(i)psis

My favorite example was from the comic strip Miss Peach (names made up to protect my forgetfulness):

Lester: I have to go to the principal's office for that fight we got into.

Fred: You are not to mention my involvement in the fight.

Lester (in principal's office): There was George, Patty, Frank and Bill, not to mention Fred.




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Thanks Dr. Bill. Sounds like (with the minor exception of {possibly} parantheticalizing the wrong vowel) I was right.

A red letter day!


#34567 07/05/2001 8:26 AM
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Can someone explain to me why the definitions of apophasis seem to be so fundamentally between AHD and the rhetoric web site?!
A figure of reasoning is certainly a long way from the tongue-in-cheek irony that, we are all now sure is known as 'paral#psis, ..or cataphasis, or ...

note: please replace the hash sign with the vowel(s) of your choice :-)


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please replace the hash sign with the vowel(s) of your choice :-)

Works better with hash, Romeo


But in non-answering agreement with your puzzlement, for convenience of discussion here are some of the terms’ daftinitions™ laid out sidle by sidle (with a nother rudd hiring):

Apophasis
The rejection of several reasons why a thing should or should not be done and affirming a single one, considered most valid.
http://humanities.byu.edu/rhetoric/Figures/APOPHASIS.htm

Apophasis (noun)
Allusion to something by denying that it will be mentioned, as in I will not bring up my opponent's questionable financial dealings.
[Late Latin, from Greek, from apophanai, to say no : apo-, apo- + phanai, to say.]
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

Paralipsis
Stating and drawing attention to something in the very act of pretending to pass it over. A kind of irony.
http://humanities.byu.edu/rhetoric/Figures/PARALIPSIS.htm

Cataphasis
A kind of paralipsis in which one explicitly affirms the negative qualities that one then passes over.
Example: I will say nothing here of his fraudulent practices.
http://humanities.byu.edu/rhetoric/Figures/CATAPHASIS.htm

Affirmation
1. English equivalent of cataphasis
2. English equivalent of affirmatio a general figure of emphasis that describes when one states something as though it had been in dispute or in answer to a question, though it has not been.
http://humanities.byu.edu/rhetoric/Redirect/AFFIRMATION.htm

Antiphrasis
Irony of one word, often derisively through patent contradiction. Also, a synonym for paralipsis (Quintilian).
Example - Referring to a tall person: "Now there's a midget for you"
http://humanities.byu.edu/rhetoric/Figures/ANTIPHRASIS.htm

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Can someone explain to me why the definitions of apophasis seem to be so fundamentally between AHD and the rhetoric web site?!
I think it has something to do with the need to provide "content" for the exponentially growing volume of "information sources". The "quality" (who dares to speak of "truth"?) of the content is secondary.
Recently I happended to receive two newspapers carrying articles about the same event: A medieval ship (galley) reconstructed on a Swiss lake. One paper described the oars as "weighing 41kg, and rowed by 3 men", the other paper had "oars weighing 95kg, rowed by 4 men each".



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if anyone's 404ing on mav's links, try adding an .htm extension after you've navigated to the dead link; it should pop up


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if anyone's 404ing on mav's links, try adding an .htm extension after you've navigated to the dead link; it should
pop up


Didn't you mean to post this over in Animal Safari, where it belongs?


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Didn't you mean to post this over in Animal Safari, where it belongs?

omG!!!!!! it took me three reads.....

[wondering if there's an emoticon indicating a deeper shade of red]


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Thanks, caradea - I trust I can always rely on you to keep me up to the mark.





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