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#33700 06/26/2001 4:48 PM
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CapK, in one of his latest installments, which I am enjoying very much, and have to take this opportunity to congratulate him on, as they are a good deal better than most of the travel writings I have read) used the expression "the overwhelming impression we gleaned on our way in [to Las Vegas]".

CapK is obviously using the verb "glean" to mean "to gather"; but my understanding of it is that it doesn't really mean "to gather" per se, but to follow the reapers/mowers in a field and gather up what they leave behind, as in the famous story recounted in the book of Ruth. On consulting my old MW, I find that it gives the meaning "to gather slowly or laboriously in bits" besides the one I know. It seems to me the idea of gathering in, whether fast or slow, is much different from gleaning, as the latter really refers to taking up a small amount of leftovers.

Is this, like "decimate", which we have discussed at length in another thread, another case of a word which has changed from its original meaning to a related but very different meaning? Do/would the rest of you use "glean" as a synonym for "gather"? (No brickbats intended, CapK, just looking for info.)


#33701 06/26/2001 5:03 PM
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well, yes; but I wouldn't say that it has gathered a "very different" meaning.
W3 would have it thus:
1) to gather together scattered remainder of grain or other produce left by reapers
2) to gather together, pick up, or acquire information bit by bit from some source

to me, this is just another transferral, or generalization -- I've never had an opportunity to use it in the original sense, just as with decimate.


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It seems to me the idea of gathering in, whether fast or slow, is much different from gleaning, as the latter really refers to taking up a small amount of leftovers.

But do they gather up the small amounts of leftover hay, and make the leftovers themselves into bales? Because that's the use of gleaning (for information) that I use; you kind of put small hints together and conclude something which wasn't told to you outright. As in, your girl friend keeps referring to her boyfriend in the past tense, and when she says "By the way, we broke up, you know" you say "So I gathered." You gleaned that from her hints!

#33703 06/26/2001 6:05 PM
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l learned the word glean from Keats ode

WHEN I have fears that I may cease to be
Before my pen has glean'd my teeming brain,
Before high pil`d books, in charact'ry,
Hold like rich garners the full-ripen'd grain;
When I behold, upon the night's starr'd face,
Huge cloudy symbols of a high romance,
And feel that I may never live to trace...

the entire ode can be found at...
http://www.bartleby.com/101/635.html

so the sense of gleaning infromation is not a new one..


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I learned the word "gleaners" from the Millet painting, "The Gleaners" showing French peasant women laboriously picking up the substantial portion of the grain that had been knocked down by the mowing process and left after the bulk of the harvest had been gathered up.
And my dictionary gives as the third meaning " to collect facts, etc"


#33705 06/27/2001 1:58 AM
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There is poetry in the idea an image could be gleaned, the remnant of an abundant image gathered once, and by others. That image remnants might still overwhelm may be true of places' not Las Vegas, but *if* true just once, then of hers. I dream never to see Las Vegas--and still, her image haunts me.


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insel.--you are lovely! [winning-my-heart-through-use-of-language emoticon]



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