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#33643 07/09/2001 1:00 PM
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Once again AWADtalk shows its vitalilty by morphing a thread into something quite different and equally delightful.

When I first started learning German in 9th grade, we were taught the proverb, Wer A sagt muss auch B sagen -- Whoever says A must also say B. This was translated, In for a penny, in for a pound, which was singularly unhelpful if you didn't know about English money. I always thought it was a very cryptic expression.


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muss auch B sagen

But isn't that a pun on besagen, Bob?


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"But isn't that a pun on besagen, Bob?" Not much of a pun. The impression I have of the proverb is that if you start something, you have to finish it, or take the consequences.

to mean -- besagen
to prove -- besagen
to prove -- beweisen; erproben; besagen
to say -- besagen
to signify -- besagen


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The pun is indeed achieved if besagen is understood to mean 'to imply'.


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I remember some new math "A implies B" . But I still don't see the pun. Please spell it out.


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Hey, Bill - give 'em a break - it's a German joke, after all! [runnink für mein life, leiblings]


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Dear Mav: I'm just giving them a golden opportunity to demonstrate my inferior comprehension.
And the German-English draws a blank on "leibling". Presumably typo for "lieblings"? Or subtle coinage?


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Dr Bill, you mean coinage as in "in for a penny, in for a pound"?
[ducking for cover emoticon]


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Dear Marianna: I have learned to be on my guard with Mav. He sometimes hits below the belt in clinches.


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I cannot tell a lei


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I have learned to be on my guard with mav-arch, he sometimes hits below the belt in clinches.

Brings to mind one of those newly-coined AWAD Proverbs, DR. Bill... He who does in alias roam can never quite be trusted.


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Bill, I asked my (German) girlfriend yesterday. She said it's as simple as the penny and the pound proverb, i.e. 'don't do things by halves'. She liked the 'besagen' idea though ;-)


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or a special AWADtalk motto:

When in roam, do as the roamings do.


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Golden Rule: Do unto others as they would do unto you, but do it first.


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>Once again AWADtalk shows its vitalilty by morphing a thread into something quite different and equally delightful.

Just wanted to say thanks for the responses to the thread.

.. And add some of our translated proverbs ..

- Barking dogs bother not a walking elephant.
- An Elephant's teeth - one set to show off with, one set to eat with.
- The Elephant has gone by only his tail remains
- The elephant does not kill the ant it steps on.

The third is a particularly nice one which signifies some large ordeal that is almost getting over.


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my favorite slightly alter saying is
To err is human, to really foul things up requires a computer


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- The Elephant has gone by only his tail remains


Or: The journey of a thousand miles ends with the very last step.


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- The elephant does not kill the ant it steps on.

i like this one, though i'll readily admit that i'm not sure i understand it completely. i understand it *literally*, i think.... that it's kinda like trying to squoosh a spider with Nikes; they either get spared by one of the myriad grooves or they're just too darned small to flatten.

but what is the figurative meaning? can someone help me with an example?

TIA=)


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As resident Ant on the board, I gotta protest at this outrage! Get that elephant orf me foot NOW


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To err is human - to forgive is not company policy

I had that one on a poster and put it up in the supply closet ... a place the Big Wigs never visited! My fellow Toilers in the Vineyard always exited with a slight smile and a wink for me. How did they know it was I who posted? Hmmmmm....


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> they either get spared by one of the myriad grooves or they're just too darned small to flatten.
Yes that is correct. There is space under the foot of the elephant (I guess being hoofed) in which the ant escapes the enormous weight.


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I like the one about the teeth. I envision calling our living room the "tusk room" now.


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