Dr bill, no offence-- -- I understand what you mean-- i know there is a rat thread--and even I am loath to search-- but it was a lovely long thread-- and rehashing (yet another rehashed topic) a topic in less than a year can be boring--

there are several options...
search, (and eventualy find it)
ask someone to assist with the search, (and maybe have more (or less!) luck, or
just continue the yart-- and let us old hands, and booh pahs deal with it!


my other obsession