#32265
06/14/2001 6:06 PM
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Did any of you USns watch CNN last night? Larry King had as his guest Steve Irwin, the Crocodile Hunter, of Animal Planet, that mad Aussie bugger who, contrary to all reasonable expectations, still has both his arms and both legs, I don't know why.
He was quite interesting, when you could understand what he was saying. It's bad enough he has an Aussie accent you could cut with a knife, but he is very impulsive and speaks very fast. I think I missed about half of what he had to say.
So, ye Ozzie denizens, what is your take on the engaging Steve, who seems to be the biggest Aussie import (other than Heath Ledger) since Crocodile Dundee? And what is it anyway with Aussies and crocs?
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#32266
06/14/2001 6:13 PM
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>but he is very impulsive and speaks very fast.
this is beginning to seem like a national trait.
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06/15/2001 8:08 AM
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Whaddyameanwespeaktoofast?
Which reminds me of the famous Australian town Didjabringyagrogalong.
And I have no idea about the Aussie v croc thing. Never actually seen one myself.
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#32268
06/15/2001 8:26 AM
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Unfortunately I missed the interview! I used to live together with 4 guys and they all idolized Steve Irwin. We thought he was crazy, but we watched his show every week without fail. Now that I live in Germany I don't have that luxury anymore! I certainly miss it.
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06/15/2001 10:46 AM
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I don't have that luxury anymore! I certainly miss itHey squid - is that referring to the bit about living with four guys? 
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06/15/2001 12:26 PM
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Mav-- Squid not only lived with four guys-- they all idolized an other guy-- guess that how squid got his name-- from multi armed gropeing!  ---squids have even more arms that octopus, right?
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06/15/2001 12:43 PM
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Dictionary says squid have 8 arms. Wouldn't care to have them draped around me. Though I hate the word, I must say they really suck.
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06/15/2001 1:35 PM
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"Course, squid might brag that he's a Giant Squid...so he had more than enough to go around! But grandiosity is a squidish trait! 
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06/15/2001 2:03 PM
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Squids (or is it squidopodes?) have 10 arms.
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06/15/2001 4:06 PM
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Most nerves are small and hard to get at chemically. The squid, a
10-armed marine animal related to the octopus, has very large nerve
fibers from which pure axoplasm,
Dear JazzO: So much for trusting the dictionary.
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06/15/2001 4:25 PM
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It just occurs to me that the Sargents at Arms-Arms-Arms for this board are squid and Jazzoctopus. Any strong-arming to be done, we know who to call. No sucker punches, though. [(w)ink-(w)ink emoticon]
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06/15/2001 4:31 PM
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 That was truly awful, Sparteye. Go to your room.
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06/15/2001 4:33 PM
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But which one, poor dear?
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06/15/2001 4:37 PM
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21st C Gospels:
My lawyer's house hath many mansions...
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06/15/2001 5:31 PM
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06/15/2001 6:14 PM
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Jazz are you sure? I thought squids-- like star fish can have any number of arms- depending on species.. (10 being the most common number for squid, 5 for star fish)
Dr bill-- squids (and octopus) are both quite nice, breaded and deep fried, served with a spicy hot tomato based sause.. I particularly like the little ones, fried whole.. I haven't quite worked up to eating them raw--as they do in japan.. they are also nices stewed in a tomato sause and served with pasta...
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06/15/2001 6:30 PM
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I dunno: is this the first instance on the board in which one member has discussed eating another? squid! Jazzo! Run for your lives!
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06/15/2001 6:34 PM
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Dear Helen, when I said squid suck, I was not expression gastronomic aversion.As a double entendre, I was referring to the large number of suction cups with which they cling to things. And just to confuse things more, I just remembered reading about cuttlefish, large enough to battle whales (though the whales apparently most always win). The dictionary say the cuttlefish have eight arms and two tentacles. I wonder if that total is what is called ten arms elsewhere.
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06/15/2001 7:00 PM
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Maybe Bean can help us-- i think--as recall-- the differences between arms and tenticles has some thing to do ith use-- a male (both octopus and squid) have at least one specialize tenticle-- with which they pass a sperm sack to the the female so that she can fertilize her eggs-- cuttle fish/squid have two tenticles for holding onto each other (male/ female) bonding and passing the sperm packet. for a creature with 8 or more arms, the whole thing seems so polite, and un touchy! and again, as i recall, female squids are a bit less receptive than octopus-- so squids tend to hold on, while transfer is going on... or maybe Jazz knows.. he's safe enough..
it impressive that i know so much about mating habit of animals.. i don't even like them that much-- not that i dislike..
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06/15/2001 8:00 PM
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>And just to confuse things more, I just remembered reading about cuttlefish, large enough to battle whales (though the whales apparently most always win).
Dr. Bill, I must disagree. An astrophysics grad student friend and I have spent *many* an hour discussing the relative advantages of giant squid in battle with blue whales, and we've come to the conclusion that the squid would win. See, even though the whales have the sonar thing going on, in addition to sheer bulk, the squid has both speed of mobility and suction power on its side. Not to mention one well-placed tentacle could bring on asphyxia in a matter of... what... hours? That's what they call The Achilles Blowhole.
Please send suggestions for alternative hobbies by PM. Obviously they're sorely needed.
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06/15/2001 8:11 PM
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The evidence for squid / blue whale battles comes from scars on blue whale-- living blue whales.. so sometime the whale wins.. and since whales can remain submerged for several hours.. (at least 1.5 hours for small whales, and maybe as long as 3 for large ones). its not as if the have to rush the battle..
AMNH has a big blue whale hanging from a ceiling-- and not far away-- it has a giant cuttle fish-- i'd but my money on the whale most of the time..
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06/15/2001 8:15 PM
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Apparently some whales feed on the giant squid. And they obviously have such superior speed that they can choose to attack or evade. Whales have been seen with the tentacle marks on them. No way of knowing how often the whales lose. http://seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov/squid.html This was only URL I could find. It does say the squid are prey. No details, alas. Squid species vary greatly in size. The common squid of the east North Atlantic coast is 30 to 45 cm (12 to 18 in) long, and the giant squid, at least 18 m (60 ft) long, is the largest aquatic invertebrate. It lives at depths of 300 to 600 m (985 to 1970 ft), where it is the prey of sperm whales. "Squid," Microsoft(R) Encarta(R) 98 Encyclopedia. (c) 1993-1997 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
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06/15/2001 8:32 PM
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Just to get the words right, cuttlefish and squid ain't the same thing - they are of different taxonomic orders. Also, the largest cuttlefish (the Giant Australian) gets about a meter long, so I'd hesitate putting it up against a whale of any sort. But there's® some breeds of squid I would not want to meet in a dark alley. Also also, have to echo Helen's support for eating both beasts. In Sardinia, cuttlefish are called sepia, and are eaten cooked in their own ink - absolutely delish, don't you think, Bean? Also³, from now on, when I've a question about cephalopods, I'll be sure to consult an astrophysicist.
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06/16/2001 9:31 PM
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As an experienced giant squid I can say that I have survived so long by squirting ink in all my enemy's faces! But seriously, often the female giant squid is eaten shortly after laying her eggs as this makes her very weak. She also cannot leave the eggs alone, but must continually clean them. This makes her an easy target.
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#32289
06/16/2001 9:33 PM
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Squid is a girl, thank you!
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06/18/2001 11:53 AM
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In Sardinia, cuttlefish are called sepia, and are eaten cooked in their own ink - absolutely delish, don't you think, Bean?Hmm...when I last lived in Sardinia, I was eight. Squid/cuttlefish/sepia/calamari were not high on my list of delicacies at that time. My grandmother was cleaning live eels once and one jumped out of her hand and writhed across the kitchen floor...that was enough to scare me away from seafood for 15 years! My dad loves calamari but I hate the smell of them when they are boiled. Yuck and yuck. All those little tentacles! 
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06/18/2001 11:59 AM
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Squid is a girl, thank you!I knew that, squid! Your language told me that very accurately. A guy would have almost inevitably have said "...with four other guys...", whereas a *girl almost 'nevitably says just as did you.
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06/18/2001 12:04 PM
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All those little tentacles! Indeed - did you ever see a very witty camp sci-fi send up film in the last year (title escapes me now), in which the aliens are wonderful sqiud-type creatures who disguise themselves for visual interaction with the 'Star Trek' crew they abduct? Only problem seemed to be when contact became more intimate... is that a tentacle, or are you just pleased (and pleased) (and pleased) (and pleased)...
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06/18/2001 12:35 PM
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a very witty camp sci-fi send up film in the last year (title escapes me now), in which the aliens are wonderful squid-type creatures
That would be Galaxy Quest. A very funny movie, especially if you're familiar with the original Star Trek series. I'm only 22, but my dad introduced me to Captain Kirk and Spock practically while I was still in the womb!
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06/18/2001 12:42 PM
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Saw that film Mav and was pleasantly surprised. I expected the standard send up, but it was a real good laugh.
I once heard that croc bloke speak and, as I remember it, his accent was not as strong a some Australians I've met. Say, if he spoke so poorly then surely King had problems too.. or did he just nod politely?
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06/18/2001 4:05 PM
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Thanks, Rapunzel, yes, GQ it was. And yes, I had got dragged along despite my protestations that since I hated Trek and all that crud how could I possibly enjoy it - and then laughed my head off then and on several subsequent viewings! Obligatory language reference: did you like the joke about broken translation equipment?
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06/19/2001 4:26 AM
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Why didn't y'all tell me this before? It was on TV the other night and I didn't watch it.
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06/19/2001 8:27 AM
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A guy would have almost inevitably have said "...with four other guys...", whereas a *girl
but the word "guys" is becoming more and more gender neutral these days.
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the word "guys" is becoming more and more gender neutral these days.When addressing a group, yes ("Hey you guys! Over here!"). When referring to other people in the third person, it still means "people of the male persuasion". At least to me, and all my friends.
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the word "guys" is becoming more and more gender neutral these days. says Rod
When addressing a group, yes ("Hey you guys! Over here!"). When referring to other people in the third person, it still means "people of the male persuasion". At least to me, and all my friends says Bean.
I find "guy" is without exception male. But in my community, "guys" is often used now in the third person to mean "our gang, group, crowd". Extending your example, "tell the rest of the guys we've gone down the pub". I have heard it often enough in a more specific sense -"the guys in my flat" for example - refering to all females, all males, or some of each, that I now check my understanding if the gender might be important and it is not clear from the context.
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06/19/2001 11:53 AM
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'You guys' or 'You lot' is often used to show one is addressing a whole group, as in:
'What are you guys up to now?'
If the 'guys' is omitted then one can't easily discern whether 2nd person singular or plural is implied. It can, of course be said in a different manner, but then succinctness goes to the dogs.
This problem, like so many others, does not exist in other European languages.
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06/19/2001 12:24 PM
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"people of the male persuasion".
Dear Bean: that phrase now covers several groups.
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Bean uses the phrase "people of the male persuasion"
The proper term for people of either sex is persons of gender.
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Thanks for that - LOL and dribbled my coffe over the keyboard, dammit
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The proper term for people of either sex...
Isn't that word "people?"
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