#31987
06/21/2001 9:38 PM
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>You seem to be reacting like the closed clique of archaeologists who refuse to even read the book, which I found entirely convincing.
not at all. my reaction was to reading the two links, which I found entirely unconvincing. ::shrug::
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#31988
06/21/2001 9:49 PM
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Dear tsuwm: I read the book very carefully. Naturally more of his arguments were presented there. I did not find a single argument I could refute. His style unfortunately was a bit reminiscent of some zealots and cranks. And to my satisfaction he anwered any reasonable objction to his theory. Marianna remembers reading a book about one of the blocks being broken open an unmistakeable signs of its having been cast being found. And it explains how the logistics of the casting theory make much more sense than the idea of hauling all those blocks from miles away, hoisting them hundreds of feet up from the river, and hauling them up a slope to final position. I do not see how any reasonable person who read Davidovitz' book could fail to accept his arguments.
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#31989
06/21/2001 10:02 PM
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well, I haven't read his book, but then it might not be worth my while, seeing as how I'm just an ol' nullifidian. 
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#31990
06/21/2001 11:36 PM
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Dear tsuwm: Marianna sent me a very long PM about the Pyramid problem written by an authority in the field. I quote only the punch line:
I favour Morris' & Davidovits' theory simply because there is so much more
evidence supporting it.
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#31991
06/22/2001 4:23 AM
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the guilty sense of dissipated sinfulness which followed pretty much approximated what I now suppose (from books I have read of course) post-coital tristesse to be
That's what I love about this Board. I make a subtly suggestive and erudite inquiry about a linguistically beguiling subject, and the thread immediately unravels into an arid discussion on - wait for it - cement.
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#31992
06/22/2001 5:35 AM
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Atlantis, Mu One of the best books I've read on Atlantis, Jazzo, was Charles's Berlitz's The Mystery of Atlantis, a comprehensive exploration of every theory ever proposed that still leaves the door open at the end. A fascinating read. And, wwh, I found James Churchward's series of books on Mu, The Lost Continent of Mu, The Sacred Symbols of Mu, etc.to be intriguing and well-researched. Certainly not the scribblings of some money-hungry crackpot scientist at the turn of the 20th century, by any means! He was definitely on to something. I would recommend Churchward's books to anybody. Personally, I believe the true knowledge of these ancient, mythical, and mysterious kingdoms (or, at least, the true clues as to how their legends arose) was destroyed with so much other irreplaceable wisom of the ancient world when the Library of Alexandria was torched, all for one day's act of war. How sad and infuriating. Who knows, perhaps the secrets to the roots of alchemy (even to The Philosopher's Stone) were lost that day! Once the written works were gone the High Priests would keep the knowledge to themselves, as was the custom then, and not pass it along to the common people, or even to the ruling class...they passed it only to other High Priests of the same sect, until, eventually, it went to the grave with them. I find the theory of the manufacturing of the Pyramid blocks fascinating and extremely plausible...moreso than the vision of multitudes hauling this huge tonnage vast distances. I'll have to delve into it more!
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#31993
06/22/2001 1:09 PM
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extremely plausible...moreso than the vision of multitudes hauling this huge tonnage vast distancesScuse me? Hate to break in on this fascinating discussion, but a small particle of elementary physics still applies in these crackpot alternate universes: mortar/concrete = solids + water + evaporation. Therefore any fabricated or cast blockwork mass will have entailed bringing a greater initial mass to the construction site, not a lesser! 
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#31994
06/22/2001 2:28 PM
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mortar/concrete...bringing a greater initial mass to the worksiteSure, mav...but they could have broken it up into smaller quantities to haul it in wagonloads, instead of having to maneuver those huge, awkward, heavy blocks of stone from vast, or even short, distances.  these crackpot alternate universes So the pyramids are just an illusion? 
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#31995
06/22/2001 2:39 PM
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However, there can be no doubt that the technology to conduct heavy haulage over long distances existed a very long time ago. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that the monliths of Stonehenge are made of concrete - indeed, the stone of which they are definitely made has been indentified as coming from mav's back yard, (relatively speaking, of course  ) which is over a hundred miles away, I would guess. Is there any other evidence of the knowledge of concrete technology in ancient times?
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#31996
06/22/2001 2:41 PM
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So the pyramids are just an illusion?
No. The only illusion I notice is the desperate search for improbable 'answers' to questions that don't really exist. All around the globe, from every age of mankind's history, there are vast monoliths raised by the power we exert as hive creatures with individual brains. That's what we do.
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#31997
06/22/2001 3:52 PM
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>I do not see how any reasonable person who read Davidovitz' book could fail to accept his arguments. "I favour Morris' & Davidovits' theory simply because there is so much more evidence supporting it." to me, that sounds like a very condescending attitude. e.g., here's another reading: http://www.catchpenny.org/theories.html
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#31998
06/22/2001 5:19 PM
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Thanks for that rational examination, tsuwm. It served to confirm my faith as a fully-paid up nullifidian
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06/22/2001 5:45 PM
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Dear tsuwm: I solemnly swear I do not regard myself sufficiently endowed with wisdom to be " condescending" to any Board member, much less to you whom I cheerfully regard as better qualified than I am. I simply meant that I read the book carefully, and was impressed with the completeness with which he covered all of the questions that might be reasonably asked. Too bad the book is not readily available, and that so many of the pertinent sites have been removed from Yahoo.
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06/22/2001 9:29 PM
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vast monoliths raised by the power we exert as hive creatures
Most noteably the Easter Island monoltihs... now there's a curious dilemma, since they hardly had the manpower on those small, sparsely populated islands to exert the power to raise them!  Oh, well, then it must have been the space people, right mav?
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#32001
06/23/2001 12:10 PM
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Remember that Thor Heyerdahl was shown by a bunch of Easter Islanders how they did it.
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06/23/2001 1:29 PM
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<< They say that Cuba once was a much larger island that was home to an advanced civilization.>>
Visiting Venice Beach, CA a couple of years ago, I was handed a pamphlet suggesting that the reason Atlantis had proven so difficult to find up until then was that it was actually in the Pacific.
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06/24/2001 4:43 AM
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of Easter Island and Thor Heyerdahl
I saw a documentary on that recently, Dr, Bill, (and I've also avidly followed the explorations of Heyerdahl over the
years), and I believe what Thor did was recruit islanders in an attempt to move a stone the size of the monoliths in a variety of ways based on his theories and the islanders' ancient legends. However, all efforts finally proved to be futile, and they abandoned the project with no satisfactory conclusions reached.
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06/24/2001 5:06 AM
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For skeptic and believer alike! Here's a truly mesmerizing story of a diminutive Latvian immigrant, Edward Leedskalnin, who constructed a castle and monuments to his unrequited love in Florida. Leedskalnin was only 5'1" and 100 lbs., had only a grammar school education, and yet managed to move blocks of stone that weighed twice as much as the largest pyramid constuction blocks ALONE! When asked how he could do such a thing he replied, simply, that he knew the laws of leverage that the ancient Egyptians knew. I'm not sure what to make of it. But, however he did it, it stands as a truly remarkable feat! He took the engineering secrets to the grave with him, but Coral Castle still stands today in Florida as a National Historic Landmark. Here's the URL's for perusal: http://www.cosmiverse.com/paranormal062101.html http://www.coralcastle.com/ (for great pictures...and don't miss the Nine Ton Gate thumbnail!) I'd love to hear some reactions on this! Enjoy!
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#32005
06/25/2001 12:11 PM
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Thanks for the links, Whitman O'Neill. I like the pictures on the second url. However, this sentence from the first url made me laugh: Noted ufologist B. J. Cathe suggests that Leedskalnin did, in fact, understand the mysteries of weight, leverage, and leverage used by the ancients in a secret world energy grid.
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06/28/2001 10:43 PM
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Coral Castle/Edward LeedskalninYes, indeed, Rapunzel!...a strange sentence for a strange story!
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06/29/2001 10:29 AM
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...with all due respect, researching before accusing can be a good thang, local old dictionaries aside: http://www.lemonysnicket.com/All next week, on the days I purvey books, I have to wear the button: "Don't ask me about Lemony Snicket"
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