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#31650 06/18/01 03:50 PM
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Change the process!!!

CATCH 22: TO CHANGE THE PROCESS, FIRST WIN AN ELECTION...




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Someone help me out here...

Mav - I believe the kind of change is a 'legal' one (here in the US) not a 'referendum' one (aside from the time it would take to vote in representatives who would vote for such a change in the wording of the laws).


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Didn't Thomas Jefferson believe that a periodic revolution was the best thing to shake things up a bit? This might have been expressed before 1793's French events, though.

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"None of the Above" box on the voting form ... Do any of your electoral systems have such a box?

Not in US, BUT : you can show your disagreement by simply casting your ballot without ticking the box (or whatever your particular county does. St. Chad, save us!)



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In the elections for Student Union officials at University College London the ballot paper has boxes for each of the candidates and an extra box for "RON". If you vote for RON, you vote to ReOpen Nominations, and if there were a majority of votes for RON, the whole process would have to start again...

It may be only student politics, but this is the closest thing I have ever seen to a "None of the Above" option...

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an extra box for "RON"

Aha! That's how we ended up with Reagan! I've been looking for years for some explanation other than that we actually chose him on purpose.


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you can show your disagreement by simply casting your ballot without ticking the box

The "None of the above" option has to be clearly distinguishable from "didn't operate the mechanism properly". There is a separate "spoiled ballot paper" count in UK elections, but this covers everything from obscene graffiti to a blind person missing the form. In elections with "write in" options, I suppose one can already specify "none of the above". At university, we had write in votes for student council elections. It was a tradition to vote for King Farouk (don't ask me why), who was quite often duly elected and then disqualified, forcing a new election.

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At the University of Adelaide (Australia) student union, there is a "No Candidate" option for all positions, bar the President I think. If this option takes the majority of votes then the position remains vacant for that term. I don't think it has happened for any important singular positions, but committees have been left one or two members short through the (ab)use of this system.


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and there is the "write in" option-- the cartoon character "Pogo" garned votes in his run for us president back in the '70's and Pat Paulson-- a comedian also ran-- as a comedy routine-- and people wrote him in. As i recall, Pat paulson would have been disqualified-- he was not a natural born citizen.. but pogo was a georgia 'possum, so i guess he could have won. (in the future will children conceived in-vitro, and carried and delivered via surrage mothers be barred from being president?)


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