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#30301 05/27/01 02:35 PM
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CK - Does this mean you consider yourself *from the other side of the other pond?

...up on his high horse over this, since, of course he believes... I'm sure BY's gender orientation has been establified in some other thread, but since I'm at a loss of where to and actually® caring about finding out, let me say I had the impression BY was female (not that there is anything wrong with that).


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BY was female

I think you may find the photo on Max's idrive a/c insists that (if true) this statement must have been in another life!

And is it worth the bother, CK? Merkins will be merkins


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BY was female

I think you may find the photo on Max's idrive a/c insists that (if true) this statement must have been in another life!


'Scuse me, but if I'm looking at the right photo, there's one of each and no indication which is BY. Anyone???




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C.K. pipes up: BelligerentYouth will probably get up on his high horse..

I merely quoted the AHD, C.K.

I had the impression BY was female

I always knew I was in touch with my feminine side!
Making one's gender clear has not been a high priority for many here. I too mistook poor Bean for a man (okay it's die Bohne, but l'haricot). And nancyk, the photo is of myself and a friend, Stefanie.


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Making one's gender clear has not been a high priority for many here. I too mistook poor Bean for a man (okay it's die Bohne, but l'haricot). And nancyk, the photo is of myself and a friend, Stefanie.

So I guess that takes care of BY's sexual oriention. . Mav, merkins R US.



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So we've heard the American view on orientated ... don't get me started on Americanisms! However, no-one from the British side of the pond has piped up yet. I wait with bated breath for their comments.

Well KC, it seems that the mighty maverick has turned his nose up at your bait - maybe he doesn't consider himself a native of these sundry isles ?? Anyhows, seems a shame to waste good bait. So on behalf of 1 of 60 million:

Both used, if anything the ugly duckling more so, but not in formal&/written English.
My Collins frowns not uncertainly:
Careful users will avoid the use of orient**ed as a redundant back formation of orientation, since orient has the same range of meanings. Nevertheless, there can be no doubt that either form is acceptable. The excessive use of orientation and orient (or orient**ed) in such phrases as orientation course, profits-oriented, student-oriented is sometimes frowned on as jargon.

Interestingly, where both are used the nuances are segregated such that
orient: metaphysical/conceptual
orient***: physical/literal

It would seem that the two variants will carry on making their respective niches and the ugly duckling will transmogrify into a swan. Which raises two questions:
Will the swan breed on both sides of the pond?
Are all swans good looking?



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wow said it best:
orientate - Blechhhh!

governmental - ..mental

The SunTimes Building - Seems like someone really boring couldn't think of a better name. Perhaps we can think of a good alternative...


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What about "ironical"? I always felt "ironic" was enough. Anyone?


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And is it worth the bother, CK? Merkins will be merkins

The last time I saw "merkin" in print was TIME article near end of WWII, telling about French prostitutes wearing blond pubic wigs because they were preferred by their African-American clientele.


And it's downhill from there. The OED "b" definition says a merkin is a "counterfeit hair for women's privy parts," and another dictionary calls it a "pubic hair wig." Sorry, but these explanations defy understanding. I mean, I've heard of niche markets, but this is ridiculous. My own interest in the word isn't just academic, as I'd like to make use of the fine quote of 1680, "Or wear some stinking Merkin for a Beard," but I want to make damn sure I know what the original item was

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_232.html
P.S I searched for the word before I posted, and found only one obscure mention. The top quote just did not and still does not mean anything to me. More ayleur horseshit?

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"Orient", to me, has always had the religious or directional connotation. "Orientate", on the other hand, means "indoctrinate" or "show" something.


I always wanted to give an orientation speech. [Faldage standing at the lecturn gesturing vaguely in the proper direction, saying "That's east", and walking briskly off stage.]



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