#29629
06/03/2001 5:58 PM
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Geoff... I actually[tm] went to grade school with Shane and Chris Bangs, sons of Dr. Cameron Bangs!
[Welling choruses of It's a Small World e]So, is that why you left town? 
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#29630
06/03/2001 6:08 PM
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The professor's name? Richard Pervo.
Some people are born to badness, some achieve badness, and some have badness thrust upon them.
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#29631
06/03/2001 6:44 PM
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...one of my friends said it, Olly Olly Umfree....or as *we said it "O-lee O-lee Ocean, free-free-free. 
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#29632
06/03/2001 8:22 PM
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...one of my friends said it, Olly Olly Umfree.
...or as *we said it "O-lee O-lee Ocean, free-free-free.
...or as we used to say : Ollie, Ollie, everyone out's in free!
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#29633
10/10/2001 11:30 PM
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#29634
10/11/2001 12:21 AM
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#29635
10/11/2001 2:41 PM
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#29636
10/11/2001 3:26 PM
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Woodwind, I wouldn't want to "o-boest", so I thank you for tooting my horn! Welcome, buddy!
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#29637
10/11/2001 3:35 PM
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Woodwind, I wouldn't want to "o-boest", so I thank you for tooting my horn! Welcome, buddy![going out on a limb e] Hey! She's MY buddy, I'll have you know! Thanks for the back-up in t'other thread, though.
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#29638
10/11/2001 4:48 PM
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She's your buddy? She?!! please cancel above reference to "tooting my horn".  [above purple text matches color of my face] [muttering "must remember to do a gender-check" -e]
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#29639
10/11/2001 6:27 PM
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#29640
10/11/2001 7:07 PM
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keiva, haven't you figured it out yet? you always end up interacting with the women on the board! the glue to gender are sometimes subtle... but you always miss them!
actually it kind of nice.. it not only doesn't mattter if you are a dog on the internet, it also doesn't matter if you are a bitch!
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#29641
10/11/2001 8:27 PM
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10/11/2001 8:29 PM
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#29643
10/12/2001 1:09 AM
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Query: how is the name Beryl actually pronounced? I've never met anyone with that name, and the only ref. I've ever seen to pronouncing it involved the characters' gales of laughter at the pronunciation "barrel". The only alternative I can think of is something like buh-RILL.
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Possible RTP name: Washburn Paine
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#29644
10/12/2001 1:36 AM
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#29645
10/12/2001 2:17 AM
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Whole cask is full of holes We really ought to do something about all that stuff going to waste...any volunteers? 
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#29646
10/12/2001 5:57 AM
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In reply to:
Query: how is the name Beryl actually pronounced? I've never met anyone with that name, and the only ref. I've ever seen to pronouncing it involved the characters' gales of laughter at the pronunciation "barrel". The only alternative I can think of is something like buh-RILL.
It was only at this point in the thread that I had the faintest idea what you were all going on about. To me the first syllable in beryl is nothing like the first syllable in barrel. Don't the rest of you make any difference between, for example, bet and bat? The difference between beryl and barrel is exactly the same.
Bingley
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#29647
10/12/2001 10:57 AM
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I remember a girl from my school days whose name fits:
Fiona White
I recall from the book I looked up at the time that "Fiona" came from the Scottish (Gaelic?) and meant white.
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#29648
10/12/2001 11:00 AM
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There's some Greek island where the people whose names, when Anglicised, come out as repititious.
eg Peter Peters (former sports commentator in Sydney(?))
Mick Michaels (the Lord Mayor of Perth, WA)
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#29649
10/12/2001 11:09 AM
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Before I proceed, you need to know that Ozilder's pronounce "Scarborough" as "Scar-bru" (u as in lust)
Anyway, there's a lady geologist called Barbara that used to (may still do) live in Perth. I forget her maiden name but no matter - she married Mr Scarborough.
As if Barbara Scarborough wasn't bad enough, she was known far and wide as Babs Scabs.
Her maiden name must have been bloody awful to want to run with Scarborough!
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#29650
10/12/2001 11:40 AM
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My understanding is the name Beryl is ponounced like the semi-precious stone of that name; rhymes Cheryl or sterile. Not a perfect match for "barrel", but closer if "barrel" is being used as a minor, unstressed word in a sentence. Closeness depends in part on the speaker's accent: a brit, for example, would pronouce more broadly the a in "barrel".
There is also the name Barrell (masc., yiddish), never common, but I've never heard of anyone having that name younger than may grandparents' generation.
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#29651
10/12/2001 1:19 PM
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In reply to:
the name Beryl is ponounced like the semi-precious stone of that name; rhymes Cheryl or sterile
With Cheryl maybe, certainly not with sterile.
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#29652
10/12/2001 1:43 PM
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With Cheryl maybe, certainly not with sterileAbsolutely, old chap . Nor with futile or butyl.
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#29653
10/12/2001 2:03 PM
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The difference between beryl and barrel is exactly the same.
Okay, this I don't understand, at all. Unless you pronounce barrel with the same a-sound that's in bar?
I pronounce barrel with the same a-sound that's in bare.
Beryl looks as though it ought to have the same vowel sound as berry. Just like in bare, or air.
And, sterile is STAIR-ill. Or, maybe, STAIR-ull is closer.
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#29654
10/12/2001 2:31 PM
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Oh ye gods. I wish this board had sound capacity.
The first syllable of sterile and Beryl has the same vowel as in men or Ben. The ile part of sterile is pronounced the same as in isle/aisle. The yl part of Beryl is pronounced ull.
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#29655
10/12/2001 3:25 PM
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Interesting. As to Beryl, my region agrees with Jackie and Bingley, with the distincion that the second syllable, unstressed, is probably the schma sound. As to sterile, Bingley's version would sound completely odd and off here. Could this be the standard "atlantic divide" (geographically teleported, in Bingley's case )? Jackie's version ("stair") would pass here, but would sold faintly foreign. In that I'm assuming, an may well be mistaken, that Jackie would pronounce "stair" the same as a Chicagoan would. Faldage's usual "bartleby" site give the first syllable of "sterile" per my version (and beryl the same), but the second syllable per Bingley's. Was the word ever spoken in the movie The Sterile Cookoo?
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#29656
10/12/2001 3:46 PM
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The first syllable of sterile and Beryl has the same vowel as in men or Ben.Yes, I just said that: the e sound in men and Ben is the same as the a-sound in bare or air: BEH-rull, = barrel. I breathe ehr. I climb the stehr. The ile part of sterile is pronounced the same as in isle/aisle.Nope. Ill or ull.
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#29657
10/12/2001 7:40 PM
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Here's a few that came to me in my sleep last night:
Pat Small
Peter Dwindle
Mike Measure
Pat Cosset
John Throne
John Loo
Carl Peasant
Marsh Moore
Earl Peer
Earl Noble
Marshal Sheriff
Marshal Constable
Marshal Reeve
Carrie Young (not pleonastic but funny to me!)
Van Wayne
Carrie Trust
Ted Scatter
Carol Singer
Chuck Roast
Karen Custody
Margaret Pearl
Wayne Wright
Carrie Winn
Job Post
Barry Intern
Bob Barber
Bill Dunn
Mark Brand
Art Talent
John Customer
Tom Drake
Sue Woo
Perhaps when I'm wide awake I'll think of a few more.
And here's one for the Englishers:
Tom Gibb
TEd
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#29658
10/13/2001 3:04 AM
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Yes, I just said that: the e sound in men and Ben is the same as the a-sound in bare or air: BEH-rull, = barrel.
Hold on a sec. This is only a Southern occurance. Y'all down there pronounce the e in men and Ben like a long a with a little more toward the i sound. That makes men and man sound very similar. And that's why Kentucky sounds like Caintuck. I would say that for the rest of us in the US, Ben and bare sound quite different.
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#29659
10/13/2001 4:03 PM
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If my memory serves me, the same issue was brought up by Bingley in referrence to a different word. Ever since, upon seeing a word spelled with a "Y", I've repronounced it to make the "Y" a seperate, stressesd syllable... fun, but not productive. The ile part of sterile is pronounced the same as in isle/aisle. Yep and nope... It depends upon meaning. In order to differentiate between *sterile meaning "clean" and *sterile meaning "unproductive", the later is given the "aisle" pronunciation (not like they would ever be confused )!
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#29660
10/13/2001 4:51 PM
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Perhaps it would be well to LIU in the dictionary and post the results here. I'd be pleased to do so if some experienced soul would kindly inform me how to reproduce, on this board, the dictionary's diacritical marks.
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#29661
10/13/2001 5:36 PM
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The stinkin' dictionary says the long I sound is Brit, and since I'm clearly no Brit, the stinkin' dictionary is *useless in this case...in most cases artfully®
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#29662
10/14/2001 12:00 AM
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'zik, I was unable to find the Stinkin Dictionary, and therefore relied upon the American Heritage® Dictionary, which Faldage so often cites (at bartleby.com) (note: I'm unable to reproduce the schwa symbol here, for which I have substituted ÷.)
barrel: pronounced (băr’ ÷l)
beryl: pronounced (bĕr’÷l)
sterile: pronounced (stĕr’ ÷l) or (stĕr’ īl)
stair: pronounced (stâr)
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10/14/2001 12:37 AM
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#29664
10/14/2001 1:59 AM
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Max, I think you are threading us along here. Pleonasm simply means "superfluous" or "redundant". Dawnmarie, indeed! Now I understand how one rises in the ranks around here. Tee Hee. P.S. I'm new. How come I can't post icons and blue paste-ups like you veterans (and Pooh-Bahs)? Are these insignia of rank, or what?
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#29665
10/14/2001 2:28 AM
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How come I can't post icons and blue paste-ups like you veterans (and Pooh-Bahs)?
Plutarch: See your private messages!!!
Doubledub: I shall jadly goin you at the barrel (hic); and I agree wholeheartedly with your line: I never ever write with a pin or fasten things with a pen. [shudder e]
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10/14/2001 2:36 AM
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#29667
10/14/2001 2:55 AM
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"But it sure would have made a nice 6/8 metrical example."
Inspires me to poetic versification, Wordwind.
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#29668
10/14/2001 3:01 AM
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Come to think of it, "Dawnmarie" isn't an example of a "pleonasm", Max. Its an example of "pleonarcissism". (Like falling in love with your reflection in the water.)
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