thanks-- AS-- but the credit for confirming that to go (or be sent) Up the river goes to NY is fromFaldage-- who actually looked it up in the thread about double named places (poga poga/walla walla/sing sing, etc.)

Not from NY -- is "The big house" which refers to some federal penatentury-- but i don't know which one.. a google search gave some hints, but several sites refused to open... (some how, i think it is Ft Levenworth-- but what ever reasons i have for thinking this are too vague to refer to.)




my other obsession