#27277
04/25/2001 9:08 AM
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I was just watching TV (forgive me b96, I know what I do) and two characters in the programme pronounced "salve" as "sav" Is this US standard, or a Jersey corruption?
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#27278
04/25/2001 10:46 AM
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I've certainly heard it that way on US shows , but I've never actually said the word so I can't say how I'd say it. It's not a terribly common word, especially spoken.
How would you say it?
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#27279
04/25/2001 12:27 PM
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silent L is the only way i have ever heard it--
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#27280
04/25/2001 1:15 PM
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Silent "L" with a looong "A" is how I hear it in my neighborhood ... Northeast US. When I do try out the word with an L in it I get odd looks but it's understood.
Friends usually look at me and say "Oh, puh-leese!"
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#27281
04/25/2001 1:29 PM
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"sahv" is the traditional pronunciation. The "salv" is a recent innovation in UK/ANZ, by false association with the root of salvage. But I imagine it's universal now, outside US.
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#27282
04/25/2001 1:30 PM
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salve1 (sav, säv)
n.
5ME < OE sealf, akin to Ger salbe < IE base *selp3, fat, butter > Sans sarpis3, melted butter6
1 any medicinal ointment applied to wounds, skin irritations, burns, etc.
But if an automobile tire needed a "valve" I would not ask for a "vav"!
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#27283
04/25/2001 1:44 PM
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If akin to 'die Salbe' (i.e. ointment, cream), then it ought to be pronounced as it's written. Next people will be driving a Vovo home.
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#27284
04/25/2001 2:00 PM
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I (and my mates) in UK prounounce Salve with a long "A" and with the "L" but running into the "V" rather than a separate sound. This is how I have always heard it. I bow to NicholasW's superior knowledge but the root (and some dictionaries) suggest to me that the "l" should be sounded.
salve \Salve\ (?; 277), n. [AS. sealf ointment; akin to LG. salwe, D. zalve, zalf, OHG. salba, Dan. salve, Sw. salfva, Goth. salb[=o]n to anoint, and probably to Gr. (Hesychius) ? oil, ? butter, Skr. sarpis clarified butter. [root]155, 291.] 1. An adhesive composition or substance to be applied to wounds or sores; a healing ointment. --Chaucer.
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#27285
04/25/2001 2:49 PM
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Halve, calve, valve. Only the last halve I heard pronounced with the L.
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#27286
04/25/2001 3:00 PM
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Next people will be driving a Vovo home.
Which would be an improvement. One must pronounce "Volvo" very carefully.
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#27287
04/25/2001 3:22 PM
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In reply to:
it ought to be pronounced as it's written
What, are you nuts? Since when did logic or 'ought to' enter into English pronunciation?
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#27288
04/25/2001 3:23 PM
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One must pronounce "Volvo" very carefully.
Yes indeed! I have afriend who teaches at the local agricultural college, whose favourite story at the moment s the exam answer of one of his students to the question, "How does a farmer know when his cow is ready for service by the bull?" The answer given was, "When it has a red Volvo."  Thank goodness the Swedish car that I drive is white!
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#27289
04/25/2001 4:25 PM
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When (she) has a red Volvo she is ready for a Rolls in the hay. When it is white, Nova.
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#27290
04/26/2001 6:42 AM
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Re: What, are you nuts?
That's me, the nu'ta.
Speaking of things Nordic, did anyone catch that story about some guy in some remote part of Sweden whose Ford 'Ka' was mistaken for a mate by a moose on heat; when the car didn't respond the he moose-handled it and concluded by defecating on it. The poor man has no garage and the forest over the road
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