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You're welcome, Dave. Dave, don't do that. I can't let you do that, Dave.
Oh hell, HAL. Am I seeing stars because I'm inside a huge black obelisk or is it because I've been holding my breath for FIFTEEN DAMNED MINUTES? Now, open that door or I'll do more than just unplug you!
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Really interesting link, Max - thanks. I particularly loved the idea of a 'redundancy' that was yet integral to the circuit's function in a way that could not be understood by our existing electronics theory! Never mind HAL - here comes the Skynet out of Terminator 
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. If a computer could demonstrate objectively that it is genuinely thinking about "What am I and who am I and what is my place in the scheme of things?" I would concede defeat. But I have no idea how you might prove or disprove whether it has been achieved or not.If a computer could demonstrate objectively that it is genuinely thinking about "What am I and who am I and what is my place in the scheme of things?", then it would be definitely superior to any human being. Or did you ever encounter somebody capable of such a feat? Quite apart from that, there would never be unanimity about the ranking of the machine: one part of humanity would say it is inferior, the other, superior. But "like" humans? You would need 7 billion different machines BTW I like this thread. Don't let it go down
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You're welcome, Dave. Dave, don't do that. I can't let you do that, Dave.Haven't been able to open your link yet, Max, but since you brought up HAL: his most beautiful line; the one which, by our acceptance of it and the "interior state" it purports to represent, best demonstrates our inherent willingness to give machines empathic recognition (whew!) is: "I think I deserve an answer to that question, Dave." I was gonna stick that in this infernal thread earlier on but, once Cap (hi Cap! ) got on AI I said to myself 'this can of worms is good for my fish than I can fry.'
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