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03/28/2001 9:49 AM
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From another thread: The word pissed is used in the UK to signify drunk, whereas it means angry in the US. For angry, in the UK, we would use 'pissed off'. Is there a technical term for the following kind of joke [apart from weak, dreadful, etc]? Do rowers get one over the eight? Do brain surgeons get out of their skulls? I have more which I won't bore you with (yet-  ) but I am also interested to know how many of these "drunk" expressions are international or UK only. ["Off to trawl past threads for 'separated by a common language' themes" emoticon] Rod Ward
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#25090
03/28/2001 11:13 AM
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Dunno if there is a term for the type of joke, but it seems to come from the same family as the 'Tom Swifties' (another thread somewhere here), and the old t-shirt ones: "Dress designers do it in style", "Accountants do it with double entries" and so on.
cheer
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ps: bladdered, wasted, out of it, arseholed come to mind...
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#25091
03/28/2001 12:34 PM
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Do rowers get one over the eight?
Do brain surgeons get out of their skulls?
Rowers get out of their sculls, obviously.
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03/28/2001 12:53 PM
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I'm glad someone took the bait. I only noticed as I proofed it, but decided to leave it hanging. Rod Ward
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#25093
03/28/2001 1:12 PM
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Do rowers get one over the eight?
Seen on the back of a midget's T shirt at a head race
Because the cox can't stroke itself
BTW; I haven't the foggiest notion what one over the eight means.
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03/28/2001 8:42 PM
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Editors do it on deadline
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#25095
03/29/2001 11:00 AM
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One over the eight = drunk. A widely understood, but probably old fashioned term in UK. Presumably 8 pints (or double scotches) is just enough, nine is way too many.
Rod Ward
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#25096
03/29/2001 11:25 AM
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<<over the eights: nine's too many>>
I have read about a similar source for "mind your Ps and Qs," a line once used to admonish sailors going ashore leave to "mind [their] pints and quarts."
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#25097
03/29/2001 11:45 AM
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magicians do it with mirrors...
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#25098
03/29/2001 12:50 PM
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"Three sheets to the wind" is the one my mom uses... I know it's a sailing reference (Or rather, I suspect it's a sailing reference...), but have never gotten a confirm on that. Anyone? Anyone?
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#25099
03/29/2001 2:03 PM
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I agree that "three sheets to the wind" is nautical. The sheets are the ropes which hold the sails to (relatively) fixed bits of the boat, so if 3 (out of more presumably) sheets are "to the wind" or loose, then the sail will flap around, and presumably the boat will also travel unsteadily in a drunken manner.
Do clowns get pie-eyed
Do cooks get stewed
Do nurses get plastered
Do blasphemers get stoned
Do garage mechanics get well-oiled
Do laundrette assistants get 3 sheets to the wind
Rod Ward
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#25100
03/29/2001 2:17 PM
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<<three sheets to the wind = loose ropes (as in "jib sheets")
From Webster's online:
Etymology: Middle English shete, from Old English scyte; akin to Old English scEat edge, Old High German scOz flap, skirt Date: before 12th century
1 a : a broad piece of cloth; especially : BEDSHEET b : SAIL 1a(1)
Thus, not rope, but the sail itself. "Three sheets to the wind" would be lots of sail in the wind and equivalent to "going full speed ahead."
Or?
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#25101
03/29/2001 2:18 PM
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<<magicians do it with mirrors...>> ...and bunnies.  -Binky
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#25102
03/29/2001 3:07 PM
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...only just remembered:
'tired and emotional'
Used specifically when referring to drunken politicians. Native to the UK?
cheer
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03/29/2001 3:19 PM
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'tired and emotional' Used specifically when referring to drunken politicians
Perfect!
Wish I'd known that phrase and meaning when I was a reporter. I think it may be UK usage.
If indeed "The Greeks Had a Word For It" is true then it must follow that "The Brits Have A Phrase For It"
'tired and emotional' -- A really good one!
I may pass it on to reporters still active in the business.
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#25104
03/29/2001 3:26 PM
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I also had heard the ropes connection. This is supported by Dave Wilton. See http://www.wordorigins.org/wordort.htm#Three Sheets to the. The notion is not one of clear sailing as suggest by inselpeter's "going full speed ahead." but rather lack of control. This is expanded upon by the Word Detective here http://www.word-detective.com/back-p.html#sheets wherein he contends there was a full up hierarchy of lack of control culminating in "four sheets to the wind" specifying unconsciousness.
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03/29/2001 3:28 PM
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Native to the UK?Yes, I think it was coined by the late great Peter Cook in the satirical magazine Private Eye. Bless him the ropes connectionI can’t speak for other areas, but in boating parlance around the south coast of England sheet has, throughout my experience, unequivocally meant the ropes with which the sails are adjusted. To have three sheets to the wind simply implies being out of control, and so characteristically weaving about all over the place as blown by each puff of wind.
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03/29/2001 4:24 PM
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03/29/2001 4:49 PM
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Engineers do it with precision
Scuba divers do it deeper
Copier techs do it repeatedly
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#25108
03/29/2001 5:16 PM
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Carpenters get hammered.
Football players get blitzed.
Musicians get strung.
Prostitutes get fucked up.
Sanitary workers get wasted.
Deli workers get pickled.
Snow Plow drivers get sloshed.
Boxers get stupid.
Tailors tie one on.
Zookeepers get zoo-headed.
Race car drivers get smashed.
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#25109
03/29/2001 5:18 PM
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I'd been thinking a thread on nautical terminology would be interesting; I know little of it but find it's often poetic. Would one of you be interested in kicking one off? It could include mariners' names for places, too. Anyone biting?
IP
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#25110
03/29/2001 5:43 PM
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Congatulations on your enthusiasm! Now maybe you can place it where it belongs... or at least follow a thread... 
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03/29/2001 6:01 PM
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inselpeter wants a thread on nautical terminology
I have started the ball rolling in Miscellany.
Now that really takes the cake! Ænigma doesn't like the name of one of the sections on this board! mischief indeed! [Borrowing a Harrumph! from AnnaS emoticon]
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03/30/2001 7:53 AM
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Tired and emotional
Maverick, my memory (not always to be relied upon), has it that the phrrase was first used by Harold Wilson, prime minister at the time, trying to excuse George Brown's obviously drunken state in a TV interview by claiming that he (George Brown) had been "tired and emotional". It has since passed into the language.
Thanks, shanks, for posting that one.
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03/30/2001 8:03 AM
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Maverick, my memory (not always to be relied upon), has it that the phrrase was first used by Harold Wilson, prime minister at the time, trying to excuse George Brown's obviously drunken state in a TV interview by claiming that he (George Brown) had been "tired and emotional". It has since passed into the language.
Ooooh, I think we can do better than that down here in Zild. In 1984, a very appropriate year, our dictatorial but permanently pickled Prime Minister, Sir Rob (Gin is my middle name) Muldoon, staggered out of a meeting with a dissident MP and declared an election without any real consultation with anyone else. The National Party proceeded to lose the election on a scale virtually previously unheard of. He was tired, yes, emotional, yes, but most of all, he was PISSED as a chook ...
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03/30/2001 11:56 AM
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<< virtually previously>>
Cap, I think you're on to something here. "Virtually previous" could come in handy in all sorts of situations, especially for politicos who need to re-arrange the inconvenience of precedent. [seriouslikon]
But can't help a quip. To take it to an extreme, a court could make a present decision virtually previous by declaring that that decision cannot be relied upon to set a future precedent. The present past thus becomes the virtual future in one (fail, fall, fowl, fool?) swoop and quicker than an Augustine moment.
This is Binky, wishing you a pleasant from the rings of Saturn, signing off.
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03/30/2001 2:56 PM
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03/30/2001 3:01 PM
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It'll cost you.
This is Binky, wishing you a pleasant from the rings of Saturn, signing off.
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03/30/2001 3:20 PM
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My belief, but I'm not sure was that it was Private Eye that coined it about George Brown.
It was also used in Yes Minister with an addition: Sir Humphrey reads a newspaper report of Hacker's behaviour back to him the next morning, then clarifies that the exact phrase they used was "tired and emotional as a newt".
-- relying on memory, nothing more
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03/30/2001 3:24 PM
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Repetition, witty but.
Did we not have this discussion some time ago?
Can anyone supply the necessary?
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#25119
03/30/2001 3:34 PM
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From Jo's excellent summary in FAQs: Signature Lines:
The system allows you to add a signature. In the past, some of us have used our favourite quotes but we've found that this becomes distracting, after seeing the same line several times and we prefer not to use them.© JoJo Publications Unlimitedhttp://wordsmith.org/board/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=announcements&Number=17018
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03/30/2001 4:04 PM
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wishing you a pleasant
Which brings up another YARTful rant
Have a good one!
-- PM is the Camline of EDP --
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#25121
03/30/2001 5:52 PM
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This discussion of YARTs is itself a YART, and a recent one at that. "Those who haven't been around that long... etc., etc.
I really don't think this kind of thing merits a discussion on the board. A polite note back channel will do, and will be respected.
Thanks,
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#25122
03/30/2001 7:54 PM
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Defining "merits" is a job for the board collectively, as is clearly the case for "respects" that are demanded as opposed to earned... (as you have shown quite nicely by pointing out the YART of a YART of a YART )... of course "healthy disrespect" has nothing to do with this! I've come to believe that YART calling is "useless", one should expect topics to be repeated, but when it comes to whole threads it is in the best interest of all to point out publicly the repetition... and if you feel that criticism is best left in private, it is clear that you have not taken the time to dig into the history of ALL the threads here. Just Lieder?
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03/30/2001 8:33 PM
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To be asked publicly to stop using the signature field is not a problem. Its a small thing to ask, and if it's a bother to the group, it's no bother to fix it. As to respect and merits, it might be well to move that over to the "information and announcements" heading under a new thread. If these are issues that need discussion, I suggest that this discussion could be collegial. [with best intentions]
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03/30/2001 8:48 PM
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Dear Max: Again I say loudly: "Hear!Hear!"
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03/30/2001 10:21 PM
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I fully retract "useless" and resubmit I agree with "in jest"....in theory .
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03/31/2001 12:37 AM
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IP quoth If these are issues that need discussion, I suggest that this discussion could be collegial. [with best intentions]If you've ever been an academic, as several of us on the board have been or still are, you would know that collegiality is thinly disguised total war ...
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#25128
03/31/2001 1:15 AM
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> Tailors tie one on.
Why does "tie one on" mean drunk?
Afterthought : Maybe - too many in me so tie one on me?
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