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ensuring transsubstantiation
Don't really know, and don't care, as I don't believe in the doctrine of transsubstantiation. But I do know this was/is big time stuff and no priest would take any chances. The last thing one would want to happen would be for someone to receive a piece of ordinary bread instead of consecrated bread changed into the body of Christ; he would not be in a state of grace and, God forbid, he might die while in a state of sin, and go to hell (or purgatory at least). You may think this is a lot of hair-splitting, but a pious Catholic would take all this most seriously.
Where's Father Steve when you want him? Come to that, where is he anyway -- haven't heard from him in weeks.
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<<Don't really know, and don't care>>
Come on, Mr. Youngbalt, that wasn't a question, it was an argument--I'm suggesting the transsubstantiation wouldn't occur because of the broken spirit. ;)
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Perfect-- it has to do with the power of word! the glammor of grammer! and it all hocus-pocus! all that missing is the bit of wax that makes it insincere!
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is the bit of wax that makes it insincere! Hear, here.! 
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They were afraid that if they put it in the hand so the communicant could put it in his own mouth, some might not eat it, but take it away to use as a charm or for some other impious purpose.You can understand their attitude. The Roman church wasn't about to give up its monopoly on simony, was it? [Memories of Blackadder as Archibishop of Canterbury sorting through ten-packs of Christ's fingers emoticon]
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sorry for the delay in responding. did some checking on the phrase 'abreq ad habra' as the derivation of abracadabra. the supposed meaning 'hurl your thunderbolt even unto death' does not sound hebrew to me. the hebrew word for death is mavet. yes, barak means thunderbolt, abara means 'i will create'. there is also berah meaning fortress, bar meaning son, baruch meaning blessing, and abad meaning perish. without vowels and with meaning being subscribed to things over time, it is hard to say. i personally like the disappearing word meaning since it has a long history to the theory. nothing else i've heard has that depth.
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i personally like the disappearing word meaning since it has a long history to the theory. nothing else i've heard has that depth.
I like the *sense* of disappearing, but how does the OED find "abad" in "abra?"
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it's not the OED that makes the connection between "abbada ke dabra" and "abracadabra". it is just a theory i am trying to track down. i have not found a formal linguistic connection yet, and i am trying to find a linguist that either supports or rejects this theory.
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it's not the OED that makes the connection between "abbada ke dabra" and "abracadabra". it is just a theory i am trying to track down. i have not found a formal linguistic connection yet, and i am trying to find a linguist that either supports or rejects this theory.Damned if "thea" isn't lightening. Obviously, the OED end isn't load bearing end of the question. How do you, how does one get abad out of abra? And do you think you preference may prejudice? You say, "i personally like the disappearing word meaning since it has a long history to the theory. nothing else i've heard has that depth."You mention a theory, which you say has a long history, but you don't give the theory or evidence its history. If all you wanted to know was whether anyone here had heard of it, you could have had your answer in a post of two letters. I'm guessing you might want a little more engagement. Of course, you are more than welcome to zing around like a buzz bomb if you want, I don't think anyone minds--but you have to understand, it does make it hard to chat. Why don't you pull up a chair and stay a while? The kettle's just boiling. 
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