I have a problem. I did not know if I should write a personal message or if I should bring it in the open. As uncomfortable as this is, I want to say this in the open because it concerns the Board.
I am extremely uncomfortable with several posts written up by one of our new members. It is evident that this person absolutely hates an entire race of people and, in her mind, I am sure she feels totally justified.
I am not saying she is wrong, nor am I saying she is right. I simply feel that this Board is not the place to be voicing these thoughts or to vent so much hatred.
I simply feel that this Board is not the place to be voicing these thoughts or to vent so much hatred.
I agree. I think that one of the reasons that this Board thrives with so many divergent personalities is that we have, by and large, decided to keep our pet hates to ourselves, unless they are word-related. I hope that everybody will see the advantages of continuing such a practice.
I agree. I think our posting friend is whole-heart sincere. It does appear that her feelings are ardent, and this is a very difficult thing to reconcile with "remembering the niceties". The only persuasion efforts here have been towards certain words, books, authors, and the like, and I do hope it can stay that way. I did note an apology for getting carried away, and a suggestion to continue private.
I simply feel that this Board is not the place to be voicing these thoughts or to vent so much hatred.
I also agree. I haven't been here long, but I have been very impressed by what has been created here. AWAD is unlike any other internet board I've come across. This is a place for words, and games and bad puns. I want to see that continue.
If I'm involved in this in any way* then I can assure you that any discussion is now off-line. I too respect the board and apologise for any tail-tweaking I may have done that ruined the karmic harmony.
cheer
the sunshine warrior
*I know you're actually talking about my discussion with Jackie regarding 'swearing', and how she thinks anybody who says coitus, spelled with an f, is of a different race that she abhors
Now Shanks you sweet nucklehead, I've known you long enough now that I would certainly have sent you a note if I was troubled by anything you would have said (and teased you mercilessly on Board since I know you would have teased me right back - with no hurt feelings at all).
*I know you're actually talking about my discussion with Jackie regarding 'swearing', and how she thinks anybody who says coitus, spelled with an f, is of a different race that she abhors"
There ain't no such word as foitus (is there??). C'mere a minute, wit' yo' sunshiny ol' self, and have some more Dixie raspberries. Cuck you. (Well, f- I mean shucks, reckon I'm back in the gutter. I need more sleep...)
> ..(we've) decided to keep our pet hates to ourselves, unless they are word-related
The 'pets hates' people have, which are word related frequently reflect social/cultural/national 'hates' too. It's one of those 'easier said than done' cases. Silly proper nouns mean a lot to some people, especially those who feel their personal or cultural identity is challenged. What I mean is (as previously discussed here), culture and language are inseparably intertwined, and therefore it's hard to be neutral even when speaking about some petty words if they have even some vague cultural relevance.
'Even in trifling matters the depths of one's heart can be seen' Hagakure, Yamamoto Tsunetomo
My point, however, was that, I may have goaded someone into ranting. I'm quite good at that you know - the ol' needle sort o' thing. Ah well. Just as long as you love me...
I agree with what BelMarduk and others have said, but I would like to add that I hope the person concerned will not be put off from continuing her association with the Board.
Ahhh, my dear friends, I am sure that whoever the person is who has caused discomfort did not do it on purpose or to convert anyone ... I think that "Strangers" and "Newbies" who want, seriously, to join us have the need to establish a personality so we can get to know them. I have found, in perusing the Posts, that simply not commenting on a Post causes the Poster(s) to re-think the way they are posting. It has happened to me a couple of times following a post that held no interest to the Board and I have ceased and the thread has changed. I have taken no offense, rather have just plodded along cheerfully. Some successes, some failures. That's life on the Board!
So what are you saying, we're ayleurs [running and hiding from Jackie emoticon]
Bring it on! If we're going to scrap, let's scrap about important stuff, like the stubborn refusal of some heretics to embrace the designation AYLEUR!!
I am extremely uncomfortable with several posts written up by one of our new members. It is evident that this person absolutely hates an entire race of people and, in her mind, I am sure she feels totally justified.
Bel - I'm sorry that you felt it important to post your feelings out in the open - if you had asked me privately, I would have happily told you that in fact, I don't hate anyone - and if you gathered that from any of my postings, then I'm afraid you read your own bias into what I wrote. I would like to know exactly what it was that I said that gave you this impression which is simply not true. And for the record, Jews & Arabs are of the same 'race'...
The truth is, I have friends of all races, colors, creeds, national origins, religions, etc. etc. etc. until lots of my friends just don't know exactly what I believe or how I Iive... I have religious books and materials from several streams of thought; I read many many concepts and ideas; I listen to ALL types of music and have a variety of artwork on my walls. That I am Jewish and live in such a way as to 'blend into' my neighborhood is what I chose to do as a result of deciding to live here. But anyone coming into my home does not necessarily know that about me!
What I am determined about is knowing the TRUTH - not the truth as I see it, but the TRUTH of historical fact. Thus, I read what many people on all sides of a controversy have to say and then make up my own mind. Could be a new concept for some people, but I don't just automatically believe what someone says just because he or she happens to be in a position of 'authority' - I certainly don't trust news anchors as most have never seen up close and personal or for any length of time whatever situation it is they are reporting! Take John Chancellor (formerly of NBC News in the States) - back in 1982, he reported all sorts of things regarding the Peace for Galilee Operation launched by Israel into southern Lebanon. As I was living here then and know 'intimately' (don't ask me why) the details of the result of that operation vis-a-vis the people of southern Lebanon, I knew when I heard about his reporting that it was all lies. Eventually, he actually came here, went to see what was going on in southern Lebanon, and when he went back to the States, on national TV, he actually apologized for getting it all wrong before and then proceeded to tell the TRUTH! What a concept!
That's all I'm after - and since I live here and have studied deeply all aspects of this area... I think I have a pretty good handle on the TRUTH of things. Now, your opinion and mine might not match, but then, I'll bet they don't match on issues related to Quebec either... but you live there and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt every time over what I think.
How's that?
Now - after clearning that air - maybe we can actually have a reasonable discussion about things related to words - even if it means bringing other ideas into the board - if I'm discussing, for instance, linguistic differences between Hebrew speakers and Arabic speakers, it has nothing whatsoever to do with how I feel about Israelis or Arabs... get it?!
Shoshannah
BTW - what I would really like to see is less junk on the boards and more legitimate discussion. If this is really NOT a chat room - let's leave out the little inuendo stuff and gross comments (headless chickens, offal and such) and stick to more intelligent banter?!
suzanne pomeranz, tourism consultant
jerusalem, israel - suztours@gmail.com
For what it's worth--belMarduk is a deeply caring, loving person, and I would bet money that she would not deliberately harm anyone. Shoshannah is obviously also a person who cares deeply--deeply enough to take the trouble to dig for the truth, and to live it. I think the caring of these two lovely people is expressed in different ways, and that has perhaps led to an all-around mis-interpretation.
I think the very best thing about this board is how much we care for one another, look out for each other, uphold, and encourage one another. Even the relatively recent members have come to feel like part of the family (to me). Even with the high emotions apparent in this thread, there has been courtesy, consideration, and respect, all through. And that speaks to the kind of people the post-ers are. I feel confident that this storm will be weathered admirably, and that the high level of tolerance exhibited in the past will continue to be held up as a shining mirror for all of us to see ourselves in. I admire and treasure you.
If your mothering style is anything approaching the admirable qualities you display in this forum, your children are not only uniquely lucky, but *i'd* bet money that they are phenomenally well-adjusted, charismatic and intelligent individuals, raised in your likeness.
... If your mothering style is anything approaching the admirable qualities you display in this forum, your children are not only uniquely lucky, but *i'd* bet money that they are phenomenally well-adjusted, charismatic and intelligent individuals, raised in your likeness. .
Hear, hear! The only doubt lingering in my mind is -- living in Kentucky, are they also phonemically well-adjusted? [duck-and-run]
Well, thank you, Bridget96 and Anna! Of course I think my children are fantastic! We hear it all the time from people at church, too. They're as biased as my husband and I are, though!
Ah, Jackie, I have no idea how you dress-- but i love your style! You manage not only to express good ideas, but you have also mastered "tone".. I know i sometimes "sound" strident-- when I am not really-- I don't know how you do it-- (but i do study your posts)--
Somehow, your voice can be heard in your posts-- and we can all tell when you are being playful, and when you are being stern (hardly ever!) and your rebrukes, are so soft and gentle, we end up-- rueing our words, with out ever feeling we have been "yelled" at--
Does it come naturaly? Or do you really work at it? I know i have to work at being cheerful, and outgoing-- that my natural tendency is to be dour, and crabby-- and while i have learned to do it orally-- some of the crabbiness leaks out into my posts..and sometime its evident how much of a snob i am (every one is equal, only I am slightly better than everyone, didn't you know?)
can you give us any "tricks of trades" to make it easier for us to achive "tone"?
What is the brand name of the unction that conveys salving grace?
"Love"--I felt that it fit the intent of both words nicely.
Helen, I...hardly know what to say. Thank you, at least. As to "translating" (transmitting, I think) my tone of voice, I guess I've just assimilated techniques I've seen. Re: relating to people, part of it comes naturally--I hate conflict, and have always tended to want to mediate/mitigate high-stress situations. The other part is indeed learned, and honed, of course. I was amazed, after I became a Social Work major, to find out that there are actually ways of learning how to talk to people.
Now maverick, dag nab it--today you have shown me so much sweetness that I can't fuss at you for that 'mouthy' pun!
max whinges effusively, ...the stubborn refusal of some heretics to embrace the designation AYLEUR!!
I am not usually a proponent of anagrams, but I got the idea of running aleyur through Anu's anagram server in hopes that it would turn up something, some everyday (or even, for y'all, some not so quotidian) word that could be re-acronymized and, just maybe, win more recognition and approval.
and my results were absolutely... nada.
the meaning of all this is left as an exercise for the student.... -tsuwm
AYLEUR .. through Anu's anagram server .. results were absolutely... nada. .. (This) left as an exercise for the student
Ahhh, me too, tsuwm (I also?) Trying to find original appearance I went through search and that dang "threaded mode" had me so bumfoozled that I finally gave up and asked The Lady From Kentucky who graciously answered. For Newbies equally baffled : AYLEUR Anything You Like Except Unanimous with an "r" added by someone to make it look like a real word. {Sigh} wow
ah, but that's just my problem. aleyur *doesn't look like a real word, and I *can't remember the expansion. now YART... and WWFTD... there's some *real words.
now YART... and WWFTD... there's some *real words.
Chacun a son .... oh, no! I promised to give up using other languages unless the book is in front of me. So, in English : Every man to his own poison. (Some say meat but I like poison better.) OTOH if we didn't have our pet peeves to nurse on cold dreary days there'd be no excuse for chocolate. Have a happy hot fudge kind of day, tsuwm, you delectable words wrangler you! wow
AYLEUR Anything You Like Except Unanimous with an "r" added by someone to make it look like a real word.
...added by 'someone' ???? [outraged emoticon]
I'll have you know (best Demosthemes voice, pebbles spewing out of mouth, getting blown back by strong sea wind and giving ol' Demo black eyes) that I am no mere 'someone', I am I vibration, ye-ah, positive!
I said the the sunshine warrior, with my dodgy worrier, I terminated the AYLEU.
cheer
with best wishes to you and your family and may it thrive for a hundred hundred generations and may you live to see two hundred grandchildren and may they all be sons who will bring fame (not to mention huge dowries) to your family.
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