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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Page 2 of 2 1 2 Re: Which sentence is the correctly joined? tsuwm #213266 11/18/13 06:18 AM Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 41 L Lionel Koh OP newbie OP Lionel Koh newbie L Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 41 Originally Posted By: tsuwm I don't have a problem with it either, I was just wondering about the origin (he said for the third time). As for the origin, I think we need the help of a native speaker. What I have provided is the best I can do. Last edited by Lionel Koh; 11/18/13 08:26 AM. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: who burgled the orientated? Lionel Koh #213271 11/18/13 03:23 PM Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh origin It is from the English verb snatch and the noun thief: it is a compound word meaning a thief who snatches (something) from another. Ceci n'est pas un seing. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: who burgled the orientated? zmjezhd #213273 11/18/13 05:38 PM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass tsuwm Carpal Tunnel tsuwm Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass we know.. we know! but from where did it originate?! (he asked for the fourth time.) Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter The last time I'm asking you for the fourth time. tsuwm #213276 11/18/13 09:02 PM Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,554 Lower Aberdeen, Mississippi J jenny jenny veteran jenny jenny veteran J Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,554 Lower Aberdeen, Mississippi Originally Posted By: tsuwm we know.. we know! but from where did it originate?! (he asked for the fourth time.) Say tsuwm; bank robber, kid napper, house burglar, and purse snatcher are noun phrases that particularize the crime with the perpetrator. Just add "snatch thief" to your worthless word list and ascribe the first American usage to: LIONEL KOH AWAD 11-15-13 It is a good word. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: The last time I'm asking you for the fourth time. jenny jenny #213277 11/18/13 10:14 PM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass tsuwm Carpal Tunnel tsuwm Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass nice parallels there, jj.. a bank robber robs a bank a kid napper naps a kid a house burglar burgles a house a purse snatcher snatches a purse :: a snatch thief thieves a _____?? Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: who burgled the orientated? tsuwm #213278 11/19/13 12:00 AM Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh we know.. we know! but from where did it originate?! (he asked for the fourth time.) From some English speakers somewhere. Snatch thief is more like cutpurse or pickpocket than purse snatcher. Compounds are very tricky and can be studied endlessly for fun. I know: you'll be asking a fifth time, so I'll go take a look at the same references who have access to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snatch_theft Actually, the two examples I gave are really not parallel either. May snatch theif is a back formation of snatch theft. Actually, it's more like sneak thief. Searching Google Books I found its use in 1914 in a book about Pittsburgh, PA: link). Also, 1869 in Scientific American (link). Snatch cly 'a thief who snatches women's pockets' is in Grosse's Lexicon Balatronicum 1811 edition ([url=Lexicon Balatronicum]link[/url]). Got up and left the computer and headed upstairs to my library to look at the B&M OED1. Under snatch: Shakespeare used snatcher as a synonym for thief; an 17th centuryEnglish-French dictionary had snatch pastry as a thief of pastries. Looked at Greens slang dictionary but nothing new there. Later, I'll take a look at snatch (v.) in the Middle English online dictionary. I assume it was used even then for steeling. Ceci n'est pas un seing. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: The last time I'm asking you for the fourth time. tsuwm #213281 11/19/13 06:36 AM Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 41 L Lionel Koh OP newbie OP Lionel Koh newbie L Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 41 Originally Posted By: tsuwm nice parallels there, jj.. a bank robber robs a bank a kid napper naps a kid a house burglar burgles a house a purse snatcher snatches a purse :: a snatch thief thieves a _____?? A snatch thief snatches something from his/her victim. Last edited by Lionel Koh; 11/19/13 06:40 AM. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: The last time I'm asking you for the fourth time. Lionel Koh #213282 11/19/13 12:45 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Imagined parallelism between apparently similarly formed noun phrases is nonsense. You meet in a meeting house but you don't have a fire in a fire house. A house burglar burgles a house but a cat burglar does not burgle a cat. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: The last time I'm asking you for the fourth time. Lionel Koh #213283 11/19/13 02:52 PM Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,554 Lower Aberdeen, Mississippi J jenny jenny veteran jenny jenny veteran J Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,554 Lower Aberdeen, Mississippi Lionel, The boys me thinks were just being boys when tsuwm offered his Socratic riff. The punch line is that "snatch" is an American slang word for "vagina". American men don't age gracefully. They remain teenagers until they die. The only reason they stop stealing hubcaps is that it is hard to run with four hubcaps and a cane. -jj Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: The last time I'm asking you for the fourth time. jenny jenny #213285 11/19/13 03:49 PM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass tsuwm Carpal Tunnel tsuwm Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass thanks jj. I guess you're really just one of the guys. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Page 2 of 2 1 2 Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------  Information and announcements  Q&A about words  Wordplay and fun  Words and languages in schools  Miscellany  Weekly Themes  Looking for (writers, speakers,... (Old) Weekly themes. 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