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But still burning topless towers from the thousand launched ships,so anything but plain.
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#20867
03/07/2001 3:18 PM
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"One funny thing about first names. At least by the time you can walk, you have a nickname. Why not start with the nickname?"
I come from a family full of people who so detested their given names that they changed them fairly early in life. I subscribe to the idea that we ought to give our babies temporary names but permit the children to select their own names when they reach age twelve.
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03/07/2001 4:39 PM
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shanks pondered First name - Ravi - name of sun god in Sanskrit. Middle name - Shankar (one of Lord Shiva's names, and one my grandfather had{And, of course, you are the world famous sitar player! 
The idiot also known as Capfka ...
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03/07/2001 4:45 PM
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My wife's cousin, a good friend of ours, was named Michael when he was born, but he detested it so much as he got older than he began to call himself "Denny". When he was twenty he had his name legally changed to Denny, and Denny he is. Have any of your family gone to those lengths, Sparteye?
The idiot also known as Capfka ...
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03/07/2001 4:47 PM
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Commercial products with translated names are often made up to sound Hawaiian by changing a letter or two and this sometimes results in a name with a ridiculous meaning.
Real Hawaiian names have meaning. The name given me by my Hawaiian friends has nothing to do with a translation of Ann.
Here are a few equivalent Hawaiian names :
Helen - Ke'Alohi - bright, splendid, glittering one
Jackie- Ukali - one who comes after or follows (Anu ?)
Dorothy- Makana Lani - heavenly gift
Jo - Lokomaka'i - good, generous, gracious, kind
David - Hiwahiwa - precious and beloved
Maryann - Maika'i Hoku O Ke Kai -beautiful lady of the sea
Belle or Bella - 0 Ka Nani the beautiful one
Paul- Mea Li'i -the little one also the Chiefly one
Keven (Kevin) Nohea -handsome or Nohea I Ka Hanau -handsome by birth
Ann -Maka'i - excellent, beautiful righteous, well-being
Cristina - Mea La'a - consecrated or holy one
Robert - Ihi Lani - heavenly splendor
Geoff - Ho'omaluluhia - cause or give peace
William - Au Kanai'i -strong warior,litterally strong current
Max - Mea Nui - the greatest
(no kidding, that's the meaning)
Shoshanna - (Susan) Pa'inui -lily & Hannah - Maika'i- goodness & grace -
Combining the two- lily of goodness and grace
Pa'inui Maka'i
Send Private for pronunciation and PLEASE include the name to save me looking up again.
Sorry Ravi and Dagny -- but give me meanings and I may be able come up with names.
If I left anyone out, inquire by Private?
Thank you
Enjoy
wow
P.S. Bow to Eileen Root's "Hawaiian Names-English Names"
and to the Pukui-Elbert Hawaiian Dictionary - the definitive work.
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03/07/2001 4:50 PM
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Or do like kings and Catholics do-- give them lots of names so they can chose one...
officially i am helen mary bernadette patricia-- but for all practial puposes i am helen, and never use a middle inital (which one?)-- My sister geraldine didn't get as many names, geraldine was thought by my mother to be such a big name, that she didn't need as many names!
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03/07/2001 5:20 PM
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geraldine was thought by my mother to be such a big name, that she didn't need as many names!
I've already give info on my Hebrew name, but my 'given' name is Suzanne (named for my grandmother Susie and my great-grandmother Susannah)... like poor Geraldine, sister to Helen of the many names following... my father thought Suzanne was enough, and so I don't have a middle name. Well, at least that's what I thought until I was 12 and my sisters (twins) were born - each of them has only one name as well, though their names are short - Sarah and Laurie.
So, why didn't we get middle names? Because our dear father thought that women should only be given one name at birth as, in his mind, since they would take their husbands' names at marriage, the 'maiden' name would become the instant middle name! That has worked for my two sisters, but since I never married, I still have only what I was given at birth! And at this stage in my life, even if I was to marry, I probably would just keep it this way - it'd really be too much trouble for my friends to learn a new name for me now!
Shoshannah (Suzanne)
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03/08/2001 4:20 AM
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In reply to:
but for all practial puposes i am helen, and never use a middle inital (which one?)
Now this is something that has always annoyed me. Where does this insistance of US'ns that one can only have one middle initial come from? I have two middle names outside the Board and I don't see why I should give up either.
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03/08/2001 4:20 AM
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Oh, wow, thank you! This is so neat! Helen - Ke'Alohi - bright, splendid, glittering one DefinitelyJackie- Ukali - one who comes after or follows (Anu ?) Apt. One book said I'm "the supplanter"--very apt--
I'm what my parents got in the place of the kid they really
wanted.Dorothy- Makana Lani - heavenly gift Her gifts to this board have been "leaven-ly".Jo - Lokomaka'i - good, generous, gracious, kind This I can vouch for! Thanks again for the loan of the jumpers, Dearest.David - Hiwahiwa - precious and beloved More than he knows.Maryann - Maika'i Hoku O Ke Kai -beautiful lady of the sea Can't argue with that.Belle or Bella - 0 Ka Nani the beautiful one Most definitely.Paul- Mea Li'i -the little one also the Chiefly one Chief of good cheer and good will! Keven (Kevin) Nohea -handsome or Nohea I Ka Hanau -handsome by birth Keven is a beautiful person indeed.Ann -Maka'i - excellent, beautiful righteous, well-being All spot on, though maybe the last post-winter.Cristina - Mea La'a - consecrated or holy one Sorry--not qualified to assess this.Robert - Ihi Lani - heavenly splendor Vast understatement, this.Geoff - Ho'omaluluhia - cause or give peace Not all the time. Rolling on the floor with
laughter is not peaceful.William - Au Kanai'i -strong warior,litterally strong current He is indeed strong.Max - Mea Nui - the greatest (no kidding, that's the meaning) Could NOT be more perfect.Shoshanna - (Susan) Pa'inui -lily & Hannah - Maika'i- goodness & grace - Combining the two- lily of goodness and grace Pa'inui Maka'i Seems that way to me.
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03/08/2001 4:45 AM
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Reading this thread, and being delighted to discover that Hawaiian expresses my essence so aptly  gave me the idea for a wonderfully obscure challenge. I suspect that most here do not not know my "real" name. The Maori word "kaitiaki" expresses a concept very similar to that of my given name. If you can find out what kaitiaki means, you will probably be able to have an intelligent guess at what my real name is. I solemnly peomise to spin a roomful of the Emperor's new clothes for all who get it right. Post your guesses in private or publicly, as you wish.
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03/08/2001 11:45 AM
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And, of course, you are the world famous sitar player! Naah. Too much like hard work. Though on the other hand, like Chaplin, the old fellers been sprogging to a ripe age. Hmmm... kind of reminds of the lines from Paul Simon's "Duncan" (if I can remember them without Mondegreening too much): "Oooh what a night Oh what a garden of delight Even now that sweet memory lingers I was playing my guitar Lying underneath the stars Just thanking the lord for my fingers For my fingers..." Makes you think, dunnit? The first names actually, are not shared with the sitarist since for him Shankar is his surname, whwereas it is merely my middle name. Coincidentally, though, a Ravi Shankar Shastri, if I'm not mistaken, was the Indian player of the '80s who equalled Sobers' 6 sixes in an over and still has the record for the fastest first-class double century, if I'm not mistaken. But, no, there are no famous Ravi Nairs or Ravi Shankar Nairs, as far as I am aware. And my time is long past... cheer the sunshine warrior ps. For anyone who has been to Max's little treasure-cave (idrive thingy or driveway thingy), the picture of me is vastly incomplete - there should be a nearly empty pint-glass of beer (alas weak Chicago stuff) in my hand (I'd had it for five seconds already - of course it would be nearly empty) and a cigarette in my other hand. And yes, that is a missing canine tooth: I had to give up my career as an haematophage after that incident - that'll learn me never to suck a rhino again!
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#20877
03/08/2001 11:53 AM
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Ravi = the Sun (or the name of the Sun)
cheer
the sunshine warrior
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#20878
03/08/2001 3:04 PM
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Ravi = the Sun (or the name of the Sun)
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Sun - La
Kahikole = early morning
Kahiku = before noon
Perhaps Kala (long "a"s) for The Sun
so we must all, therefore : lua kalai lani (circle around the sun)
wow
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03/08/2001 3:50 PM
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Excellent. Kala (long 'a's) in Hindi means 'balck' - and I guess I'm darker than most here - the black sun? cheer the sunshine warrior (kala kala?)
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#20880
03/08/2001 6:51 PM
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wow, those are really cool. Got one for Chopped Liver?
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03/08/2001 6:56 PM
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MaxQ> kaitiakiWell, Max, I do 'know' or think I know, that the Tiaki is that little Maori idol??? So, perhaps the word 'kaitiaki' has something to do with that? Thought I'd start there. Just went quickly to Atomica.com and found out that Kaitiaki can be translated to: guardianship, caretaker or master though, after that I'm stumped! Though if you are the 'master' and 'perfect'... hummmm - must get to know you better! Just guessing... but at least trying! Shoshannah
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#20882
03/08/2001 7:09 PM
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the Tiaki is that little Maori idol???I wonder if you were thinking of the hei tiki, normally abbreviated to tiki, a ubiquitous Maori fertility image. Other than a pot-belly, the tiki and I have little in common. Now that you know what "kaitiaki" means, it should not be to hard to find a relatively common English name derived from a word roughly synonymous with caretaker. My first name is also a very common surname, but spell it wrong, and you'll have to flee to one of the cities of refuge!
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#20883
03/09/2001 2:27 AM
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Why on earth is the name Robert shortened to Bob. This is true of English and French. I would understand Rob, but Bob??
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03/09/2001 3:02 AM
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Dear belMarduk: Nicknames seldom make sense. Why is Senator Edward Kennedy called Teddy? Why am I called Bill? Sometimes nicknames are coined by the small children who cannot pronounce the name right, and the family rather than mocking their efforts, adopts them. I saw a cartoon in New Yorker recently showing one young executive asking another, "What does it mean when the boss does not use your nickname?" Haven't got the magazine to check the quote, but it's fairly close. In many settings, if you don't have a nickname,you're underprivileged.
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03/09/2001 5:37 PM
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AnnaStrophic Hawaiian names... Got one for Chopped Liver?
Bad day, Elizabeth? Chopped liver my er... ummm... goodness!
Take heart and listen to this:
Elizabeth is from the Hebrew and means oath of God.
In Hawaiian Ho'ohiki A Ke Akua is the literal translation.
Pg.91 Eileen M. Root Hawaiian Names English Names.
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03/09/2001 6:02 PM
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Why Harry, Hal, and Hank for Henry? Or Chuck and Chip for Charles? Or Gus for Constantine? Or Sandy for Alexander? Or Stosh for Stanislaus?
Bob is old, of course. In A Christmas Carol, Dickens notes that Bob Cratchit received 15 copies of himself per week -- 15 'bob' or shillings = $3.75 at the time, or in today's value about $100 (for 5-1/2 days work 9:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. mon-fri, 9 to 1 pm Sat.)
Now that I come to think of it, Bob Cratchit didn't do so bad. In my first job after getting out of the Army in 1965 about 130 years after Cratchit's time, I got $100 per week for 5-1/2 days except I only had to work to 5:00 pm mon-Fri. But then, I only had 1 child and my wife worked.
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03/09/2001 9:34 PM
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Well maybe I noticed the Bob thing because my brother is named Robert. But there has got to be some sort of thing in people's brains that make this happen.
Is it easier for your brain to think Bob in instead of Rob? I know it is slightly easier to say. As for all those other example, colour me clueless. I always wondered why they called Charlie Brown "Chuck".
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03/09/2001 9:52 PM
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It's an ex-press-ion, wow  .... gee, you make me all verklempt and agita. Ho'ohiki A Ke Akua Thank you for my name in Hawai'ian. I spent a good 20 minutes (i.e. cyber-eternity) trying to find an on-line Hawai'ian translation for 'thank you' but the best I could do was "Thanksgiving" and "thank." Didn't bother to copy them down. I'm sure tsuwm will find it for me. Now, what's the nickname?
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03/09/2001 11:50 PM
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trying to find an on-line Hawai'ian translation for 'thank you'
Easy-peasy
Mahalo.
If you want to get really fancy :
I am grateful for you help = ho'omaika'i i au i kokua mai
(Pukui Elbert Dictionary)
but nobody expects you to know that unless you're a Native speaker!
Mahalo and kokua are seen and used a lot even by haoles.
Mahalo is a general thank you. One lady, visiting Hawaii kept seeing the word Mahalo on the refuse containers in McD and Burger King et.al. She thought it meant rubbish until a kind soul told her the real meaning.
You might see a sign in a bookstore asking you to return books to correct shelves ending with :"Thank you for your kokua" (co-operation.)
That's it, I'm pau (finished)
wow
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03/09/2001 11:54 PM
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Ho'ohiki A Ke Akua (Elizabeth) Now, what's the nickname?
That would be different, given by chums or family. Not necessarily a contraction of true name.
wow
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03/09/2001 11:56 PM
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Elizabeth is from the Hebrew and means oath of God.
In Hawaiian Ho'ohiki A Ke Akua is the literal translation.
Thanks for that, wow. The similarity between "Akua" in Hawaiian and "Atua" in Maori, led me to figure out the Maori version. As a phrase Te Whakaari o Te Atua, and as a name, probably Whakaariatua. I shall definitely remember this, at least as a suggestion for friends.
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03/10/2001 12:05 AM
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Just had a flash (!) : Native Hawaiians, fluent in the language reading my poor efforts.
I'll never know. They're far too kind and polite.
One reason for the notes about books I've used.
wow
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03/10/2001 12:11 AM
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Now that you mention it, wow, I found both in the on-line Pukui-Elbert dictionary but they came up as translations for "thank" (the search function does not work for expressions such as "thank you," and when I tried "thanks" it gave me the word for Thanksgiving) ... I wasn't sure if they merely translated the verb or what. So since the translation wasn't good, I decided not to use either. But now I know. So, mahalo!
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03/10/2001 12:27 AM
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trying to find an on-line Hawai'ian translation for 'thank you'
Easy-peasy
Mahalo.
That is a very hard phrase to translate into Maori, as there is no specific phrase meaning "thank you." The phrase most commonly used is "kia ora", which is also both a greeting and a farewell. The formal expression of thanks, most often used in religious or ceremonial situations, is, "nga whakawhetai kia koe." Given the similarities between the Polynesian languages, striking differences like this fascinate me.
kia ora mai
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03/10/2001 12:30 AM
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now I know. So, mahalo!
a' 'oli pilikia
(No trouble, no problem)
or for haole : no pilikia!
wow
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03/17/2001 11:03 PM
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Well, this forum seems to have digressed a bit, but I really enjoyed reading through it so I thought I'd share some of my name stories.
My full name is Katharina Gabriele Gerda Petersen, but I usually sign as Katharina G. Petersen (why use two middle initials if they are the same . . .) The name is German, but as I live in England my last name is never spelt correctly - I will always get PetersOn. People have previously not been able to find me on computer lists (e.g. at the travel agents) because they had misspelt my surname. I try telling them that it's "Petersen, with all e's", but that usually confuses them to the extent that they make me spell it all out.
As for my first name, I have given up on it - I am just Kat to everyone. (And I'm sure that most of the people I have met since I've begun introducing myself as Kat will not know what my real name is.) If I have to use Katharina, people are always confused by the "th", as it is just pronounced as "t" (that's because it is German). I tend to get Katerina, which I really dislike (even worse is Katrina).
I very very rarely use Gerda, although I use Gabriele. Both of these names are my respective grandmothers', which is something of a tradition in our family. One of them was unfortunate to end up with the name Gerda Ida Minna Krumm, where all first names are considered very old-fashioned, and the surname translates into English as "bent".
My father's first name is Nikolaus, which I am told results from my grandfather originally wanting to call him Klaus but this was not considered a proper name in such a posh family, so they figured they could call him that after he was born. It never happened - he has always been Niko, and never Klaus.
My aunt, from the same side of the family, is Barbara (which is also my sister's middle name, her first name is Johanna after my uncle Johannes (at least I got one original name!)). She called herself Baba for lack of pronounciation, until my father returned from his first Latin class at school and disallowed any words that did not end in -us, so her name got changed into Bobus and has remained this ever since.
One more little story about Katharina . . . I was born in France and hence named with a supposedly original name, but little did my mother know that Katharina had been the most popular name in Germany for the previous four years or so and remained at that position for another couple of years. We only found out when we returned to Germany and there were 4 other girls in my class in primary school called that . . .
Well, quite enough random information for tonight.
Katharina (meaning "pure" in Greek - St Katharina is patron saint for teachers, students, philosophers and other such fabulous things)
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03/18/2001 2:42 AM
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The name is German, but as I live in England my last name is never spelt correctly - I will always
get PetersOn. People have previously not been able to find me on computer lists (e.g. at the travel agents) because they had
misspelt my surname. I try telling them that it's "Petersen, with all e's", but that usually confuses them to the extent that
they make me spell it all out.
I am surprised that you have such trouble! Here in Portland, Oregon, USA, there are 1 1/2 pages of Petersens, and 3 pages of Petersons in the phone directory. Thus, your spelling, while half as common, is far from rare. I had been told that the "en" version was Norwegian in origin, whereas the "on" version was Swedish. Am I misinformed?
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