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There is another specific use of this term in wine making. It means adding water and sugar to the grape juice before it is fermented. This has two affects; in high acid juice, it 'makes it better' by diluting the acid. The second is to 'stretch the juice and make more wine (inferior because the taste is diluted too) out of limited juice. jeff sedlak 
 
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This amelioration is also practised in other food branches. In factory produced bread they add an ameliorator consisting of extra yeast, gluten, milk powder, fats, an amino acid 'cystine' made from pigs hear (pardons, hair) and preservatives. I've seen the stuff as a yellow buttery matter. Keeps the bread supple and so called fresh, but spunkless.  Just like in wine, you might consider the ameliorator a detoriorator.  
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There is another specific use of this term in wine making. It means adding water and sugar to the grape juice before it is fermented. This has two affects; in high acid juice, it 'makes it better' by diluting the acid. The second is to 'stretch the juice and make more wine (inferior because the taste is diluted too) out of limited juice. jeff sedlak   Welcome Jeff 
 
  
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"Welcome Jeff "
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And do you have a monopoly on welcoming new people? Your arrogance is improving. I've been welcoming people since I first joined. Sorry if it upsets you, but you can put me on ignore. 
 
  
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I just see no point in repetitions Luke. I'll leave it to you if that's what you like. 
 
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Now, now children!  Play nicely together, or you shall have no biscuits! 
 
  
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Could I swap your biscuit with a glass of untampered with wine and a piece of clean bread please?  
 
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I just see no point in repetitions Luke. I'll leave it to you if that's what you like.  You know what they say about opinions? Like I'm the first one to do it? Several times many people welcome a new poster. You mind your business, I'll mind mine.  
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No point in getting a biscuit today when you can't have jam till tomorrow.  If you'd gotten a biscuit yesterday you could have had it with yesterday's jam.  
 
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I hope jenny jenny feels ameliorated by your reply Faldo   And Bran...surely we can all welcome new comers, if we want to. Its a nice thing to do.  
 
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Naturally. As I made a reply post to Jeff ( excuse the commotion on your thread Jeff) I thought it polite to add a welcome. I do not go around the board to do welcomes unless I try to make a contribution at the same time. (for what it's worth). Since when do we not have opinions? The irritation was mostly about the useless quote. (?)  Irritation on top a recently taken out of context part of a private message. I regard  PM's as strictly  private not as  public messages.  That said, Jenny Jenny, you can have hairless cookies and eat them too, even if you don't play nicely.       
 
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This thread is not in the pm section.(Yes, excuse the commotion on your thread,Jeff, since my harmless welcome has upset the resident site police.) Hence your comment was not a private message. If you wanted to make it to Jeff why not send a PM, not post it in this thread? Use of a smilie is done all the time without any comment which YOU might consider "worthwhile". Again, who made you Awad police deciding who is and who is not "breaking the rules". And where are the standards posted as to what is worthwhile and what is worthless according to you? I can find a lot of your comments simply "useless" as well. And what I said about 'opinions' still stands. 
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Oh, for goodness sake, you two!!! Knock it off, will you? We had a flame war nine years ago whjich came close to wrecking the board (and caused the defection of some of the brightest and most amusing members)  We don't want that to ahpen again. You are both right whilst at the same time being, both of you, wrong.   I tried to take the heat out of this squabble a few posts ago. Be warned!  if you don't behave yourselves, I shall set Jackie on to you!!! THEN you'll be sorry!)     
 
  
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Come now Rhuby, you know she won't do anything. I've tried before as well, and she would do nothing. I've been castigated before and told to get thicker skin, I don't flee anymore. So now I am on ignore and recommend that form of resolution. 
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I'm scared of Jackie     Did anyone notice a link to 'twitter' on this page. Is that new or am I just seeing it now? (I dont twitter, by the way).  
 
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If I upset someone because I felt upset myself then I apologize because I want to ameliorate this situation and wish you all a good Sunday. 
 
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OK - you can both have your biscuits at tea time!  And thank you both.
 
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Pop 'em in t'fridge, Faldo - that should do it! 
 
  
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