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#203736 12/09/2011 4:30 AM
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I was just reading a fascinating article telling that 77,000-year-old beds have been discovered in a cave in South Africa. The people had made these mats of mosquito-repelling plants which are species of Cryptocarya. (One was Cryptocarya woodii.)

Could someone please break down the meaning of this mysterious species name for me?

Jackie #203738 12/09/2011 10:36 AM
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OK, the species part of the name, woodii, is probably from someone named Wood who discovered it. The Crypto part of the genus name means 'secret' or 'hidden', which you probably knew. I'll leave the carya part to Nuncle z or goofy or someone else with a better handle on Greek.

Edit: Aha! The carya part is from the Greek karya-, 'walnut tree'.

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Greek καρυα (karua) is some kind of nut tree (filbert, chestnut). Greek καρυον (karuon). Not many famous cognates in Greek's cousin languages: Latin carīna 'nutshell; ship's keel'.


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Jackie #203750 12/10/2011 12:54 AM
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The secret walnut tree or ship's keel? That doesn't make much sense to me, but I thank you both.
Em--maybe walnuts were valued so highly then that the owners/discoverers tried to hide the trees? A bit hard to do, I should think.

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The secret walnut tree or ship's keel?

Ah, well. I was just saying what the word meant in Greek. In ISVese, it's probably closer to 'kernal, nut', as in link.


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zmjezhd #203795 12/12/2011 4:04 AM
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I was just saying what the word meant in Greek. I know you were, Sweet Thing. Thank you. :^)

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The secret walnut tree or ship's keel? That doesn't make much sense to me
For you Sweet Thing! laugh


Jackie #203815 12/14/2011 3:52 AM
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Hey, cool! Thank you! [hug]

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The secret walnut tree or ship's keel?

That's just the meaning in Greek. In the modern ISV (International Scientific Vocabulary) caryo / carya means something more like 'nut, kernel' (caryopsis) or 'cell nucleus' (karyogamy). I guess it's kind of the opposite of gymnosperm 'naked' + 'seed'.

The ship's keel had me going for a while until I realized it was the tree that provide the piece for the keel and not the tree-nuts.


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zmjezhd #203821 12/14/2011 4:58 PM
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Ha laugh true, except for the teeny weeny onees that can sail in a bathtub.

BranShea #203825 12/15/2011 5:07 AM
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Maybe you have to be nuts to sail in such a vessel.

BranShea #203826 12/15/2011 1:11 PM
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that can sail in a bathtub

I just got an Xmas gift from Germany, a universal bath plug (pictures) with a ship folded out of a waterproof map attached to it by a chain. Funny!


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zmjezhd #203832 12/16/2011 9:25 AM
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Cute!!! So sail away on Xmas-day.

zmjezhd #203840 12/17/2011 12:16 AM
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Hey! My post saying I thought the boat-plug was cute has disappeared. [shrug] That is funny that you got it just now, dhmz.

Jackie #203872 12/20/2011 2:10 AM
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Originally Posted By: Jackie
.... telling that 77,000-year-old beds have been discovered in a cave in South Africa. The people had made these mats of mosquito-repelling plants which are species of Cryptocarya.


How clever people were, even way back then.
Mosquito repellent plants and aerosol spray are still very necessary today. Citronella, being the main one.

Candy #203881 12/20/2011 11:41 AM
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All you have to do is make beds out of whatever seems reasonably comfortable and then notice that a certain material keeps the mosquitoes away. They had thousands of years to do it.


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