reading all this through took some time! I have to say, you both seem to agree on everything...except whether epi is a greek loan word or not...and that never got resolved! sigh...I too can't think of any other way of pronouncing shadenfreude than the german...what way were you thinking of? epi does sound slightly creepy when used in normal conversation (yes I did try and shoehorn it in!) and I am secretly gloating that I managed to get it in and also that tsuwm's hear, here link pronounced with an english accent! (score one for us wink ) many apologies for not having enough linguistic credentials to add much to epi's origin, but it was fun to read laugh

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