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I don't pronounce the l in any of those! How can you pronounce the l in calm and palm?!?
And was it actually treacle or was it golden syrup? I pronounce the "L" in calm, palm, psalm. I don't know how, exactly, but I hear it, so it is there. Treacle??
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So, how do *you* say almond?
/'ɑmənd/
For the record, I do not pronounce the l in talk, walk, or psalm, but do in calm and palm. so talk and tak would sound the same? how about walk and wak and wok? 
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so talk and tak would sound the same? how about walk and wak and wok?talk /tɑk/ tak (?) tack /tęk/ walk /wɑk/ wak (?) whack /węk/ wok /wɑk/
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thanks. tak and wak aren't words but I just wondered if you would pronounce them the same way (if they were) as talk and walk.
the more I say talk and walk I realize there's not any L in them for me, either.
what about talc?
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milk?
folk?
balk?
caulk?
jolt?
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all of those have an L for me.
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I only have the L in milk and jolt.
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now that I've said it a few times, I'm not certain about folk.
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Yah. folk['s got kind of one of those almost Ls.
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tak and wak aren't words but I just wondered if you would pronounce them the same way (if they were) as talk and walk.
I don't know how to pronounce non-words owing to the fact that English spelling is so screwed up. If forced to, I'd pronounce them as tack and whack.
what about talc?
I do pronounce the l in talc, but the vowel is different from the one in talk.
Ceci n'est pas un seing.
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folk's got kind of one of those almost Ls.
No l in folk /'foʊk/, unless I am intentionally mispronouncing it as a joke. No dark l in there either.
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but what have we learned from all of this?
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sparteye got us going for six pages of comment, at least.
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but what have we learned from all of this?That ad hoc pronunciation based on English spelling are worse than the English spelling system itself. No wait, I already knew that. That the pronunciation of approximant consonants ( link) is a complicated affair. No wait, I already knew that. I guess I've learned nothing from this thread, but it has reinforced my awe in the face of all facets of language. No wait, you all knew that already.
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You knew more than I knew, but you already knew that.
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so talk and tak would sound the same? how about walk and wak and wok?talk /tak/ = branch tak (?) tack /teak = type of wood walk wak (?) = hole in the ice whack /węk/ wok / = type of cooking pan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Of course I do appreciate that at least one of you all shows spontanious knowledge of Dutch.
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Dutch treat means everyone pays his/her own bill at a
restaurant.
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Too bad if we knew it all already or some of it at least..I was here for the discussion and Loved it
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Too bad if we knew it all already Does anybody else say a'ready? [here we go again e]
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say...a'ready! No, not me, do you?
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Does anybody else say a'ready?
In fast, colloquial speech: /ɔ'ɹɛdi/.
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the L is pronounced here: in already and alright.
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the L is pronounced here: in already and alright.
As it is here in careful speech, which is why I qualified my statement. On the other hand, the l in almond I never pronounce no matter how formal the register or the occasion.
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I was watching an old show on an "oldies" station, and it
had advertisements from the past including the candy
bar Almond Joy. I recorded it and listened a
couple times, and it (sometimes you feel like a nut,
sometimes you don') clearly said ALL MEND.
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Yes Luke, it's time you made amends or I won't pay your bill. 
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Pardon me all to pieces. I beg to make ALL MENDS. yuk,yuk
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Too bad if we knew it all already or some of it at least..I was here for the discussion and Loved it I'm here for the conversation too, Candy. It was just fun to see a word been called no word when in another place of the world it's just another word. I was teasing.(bad, b  ad habit)
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Its a bit like the no L Christmas carol, then Bran 
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