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In the Tlingit culture of Alaska, young boys usually about age 3-4 would be taken from their parents and be given to their uncle to raise as it was believed the uncle would be better at bringing them up in a more strict atmosphere.
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I've read about this, seemed to work.
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'Dutch Uncle' seems to be stricter, installing discipline and maybe less kind
opposite meaning to the other word this week
avuncular or uncle like who is more indulgent, understanding and tender.
I wonder why this should be!
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In many African families living with an uncle will mean more beatings.
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young boys usually about age 3-4 would be taken from their parents and be given to their uncle to raise
Not just any uncle, but one of the mother's brothers. Membership in a Tlingit clan was mainly via matrilinear descent. The fathers did take an interest in their son's grandchildren.
The pronunciation of Tlingit in Tlingit is /ɫɪŋkɪt/ and is sometimes pronounced Klinkit in English. The voiceless alveolar lateral fricative /ɫ/ is the same as the Welsh phoneme represented by ll.
Ceci n'est pas un seing.
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as in the town Llanfair?
Yep, as in a lot of Welsh words. Llan means originally 'an enclosed piece of land'. By the way, the f in Llanfair is pronounced /v/. Ff is pronounced /f/.
Ceci n'est pas un seing.
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--thanks. That 58 letter town on the Island of Anglesey
must be a real "bugger" to pronounce, having the ll more
than one time and f's as well.
thanks.
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That 58 letter town on the Island of Anglesey
must be a real "bugger" to pronounce
The name was coined in the mid-19th century to provide the longest placename on record. The -fair- in the name means 'of Mary'. Llanfair means '(St) Mary's church'.
The phonological change of m to v is common in Celtic languages and is called lenition in linguistics (an older term was consonant mutation).
Ceci n'est pas un seing.
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I've been to that town in Wales. And had just read
Morgan's "How Green Was My Valley". The slate was all over
the ground, and I asked a local boy, whose name was
Gwyneth Jones to carve the name of the town (Llanfair)
on a piece of slate. He found a nail and did so, and
I still have it as a souvenir of Wales. It was
very much fun hearing the boy say the name of the town.
A good memory. There is so much I do not know about
linguistics,but I thank you for helping me out here.
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Great souvenir
and did you record him saying the name too.
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No, but believe it or not, they have a small
cassette tape in a souvenir shop, which puts the
name of the town to a song, and I bought that.
The whole thing started way back in elementary school where
I loved geography, and in our geography text was a picture
of the trainstation of this town with the sign with its name.
And when we reached Llanfair I remembered it so many years
later. So it is really a good memory. I have a picture
of the boy carving the town's name on the slate as well.
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I've been to that town in Wales.
What a nice memory. The fluency rate in Welsh is about 90% in that area around there.
Ceci n'est pas un seing.
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As a high school teacher myself at the time, I stopped
across from a school where three boys were having lunch
outside on a wall built around it. I asked them their
ages and 12 was the median. We talked awhile and I asked
them how many languages they spoke. They argued in Welsh
(I presume) for awhile and then each listed what he
spoke. Each told me five, not all the same, but each
spoke five languages and studied Latin as well. Needless
to say I was impressed, and a little discouraged for our
kids in USA. But still it was memorable.
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