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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Enlighten this Canadian #193222 09/24/2010 1:45 PM Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 1 Canada Jannebarn stranger Jannebarn stranger Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 1 Canada Can you enlighten me as to the origins of the expression “to harelip” someone? It’s a Southern expression from the USA meaning to follow through or stick by one’s word. I would love to know how that came about. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter welcome Canadian Jannebarn #193223 09/24/2010 3:01 PM Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,971 Likes: 3 Land of the Flat Water LukeJavan8 Carpal Tunnel LukeJavan8 Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,971 Likes: 3 Land of the Flat Water W E L C O M E ----please, draw me a sheep---- Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: welcome Canadian Jannebarn #193225 09/24/2010 6:41 PM Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont welcome, Janne. can't help you though, since I've never heard this! formerly known as etaoin... Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: welcome Canadian Buffalo Shrdlu #193228 09/25/2010 12:57 AM Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,706 down under Candy Pooh-Bah Candy Pooh-Bah Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,706 down under I've not heard of harelip in those terms either. Down in Australia, a harelip was the name given to children born with what is now called a cleft lip or cleft palate. And I have been looking into why it was called that and this is earliest record I found.....very interesting. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1044324/pdf/medhist00013-0055.pdf Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: welcome Canadian Candy #193233 09/25/2010 11:41 AM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Originally Posted By: Candy Down in Australia, a harelip was the name given to children born with what is now called a cleft lip or cleft palate. That's what it's always meant in the US, too. Urban Dictionary didn't even have the OP's definition. Can't open the pdf. Evince, the LInux pdf viewer, says it's damaged. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: welcome Canadian Faldage #193246 09/26/2010 9:24 AM Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,706 down under Candy Pooh-Bah Candy Pooh-Bah Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,706 down under Originally Posted By: Faldage Can't open the pdf. Evince, the LInux pdf viewer, says it's damaged. Its a pity you can't...maybe its the way I posted it or maybe because of where I am. I can open it in this thread!!! Basically it is a discussion about 'the history of tradition Chinese medicine' and maybe the first recorded case of harelip in 179- 122 BC and its treatment. Also mention possible source of the name.... a book quoted "A pregnant woman who saw a hare as a result gave birth to a baby with hare lip." The Chinese character translation 'Que Chun' "Que" means imperfect, defective, gap, or cleft, and "Chun", lip. (Just in case anyone is interested) Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: welcome Canadian Candy #193249 09/26/2010 3:08 PM Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,971 Likes: 3 Land of the Flat Water LukeJavan8 Carpal Tunnel LukeJavan8 Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,971 Likes: 3 Land of the Flat Water I could not open it either, so it is interesting to know what it said. Thanks for the recap. ----please, draw me a sheep---- Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: welcome Canadian LukeJavan8 #193254 09/26/2010 7:49 PM Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont opened fine for me (Mac OS10.6.4 Safari 5.0.2) here's a (I think) linguistically interesting part: Quote: Conclusions The earliest record in China of someone born with a cleft-lip (QueChun) with its cause relating to the hare or rabbit in China is found in the Huainan Zi, a non-medical book attributed to Liu An (179-122BC). The first use of the term "TuQue" (hare-lip) and the first record of its successful operation are found in the Jin Shu, also a non-medical work. The operation was carried out between AD 392 and 395. The first description of hare-lip in Chinese medical literature is recorded in Zhubing Yuanhou Zonglun compiled in AD610. The first detailed description of surgical treatment for cleft-lip caused by trauma is found in Wang Kentang's Yangke Zhengzhi Zhunsheng, published in 1608. The Chinese records of the treatment of hare-lip and defective lip are not only of historical significance, the methods and in particular the medicines used are perhaps of some practical value and merit further investigation. formerly known as etaoin... Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: welcome Canadian Buffalo Shrdlu #193255 09/26/2010 9:39 PM Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 956 Auckland, New Zealand olly old hand olly old hand Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 956 Auckland, New Zealand Up here in Nzild I'd never seen the term written and had always thought it was 'Hair-Lip'and wondered why. I only got the association when I saw Candys post. Ya live n learn eh? Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Enlighten this Canadian Jannebarn #193389 10/08/2010 12:23 PM Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 1 Canada Slimm2010 stranger Slimm2010 stranger Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 1 Canada I like the suggestion in this "other" forum that it might be a corruption of "to harrow hell" — http://wordoriginsorg.yuku.com/topic/8203/t/Don-t-care-if-it-harelips-the.html Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Enlighten this Canadian Slimm2010 #193395 10/08/2010 4:02 PM Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,971 Likes: 3 Land of the Flat Water LukeJavan8 Carpal Tunnel LukeJavan8 Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,971 Likes: 3 Land of the Flat Water Welcome Slimm ----please, draw me a sheep---- Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Enlighten this Canadian Jannebarn #193400 10/09/2010 1:29 AM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 That wordorigins discussion doesn't sound like it's about harelip with the same definition as Jannebarn suggested. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Enlighten this Canadian Faldage #193406 10/09/2010 4:49 AM Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,706 down under Candy Pooh-Bah Candy Pooh-Bah Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,706 down under maybe not....but it might be enough to 'scare' someone into not doing or doing something, just in case they end up with a harelip. Some people are very suspicious. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Enlighten this Canadian Jannebarn #193683 10/27/2010 2:04 AM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Louisville, Kentucky Jackie Carpal Tunnel Jackie Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Louisville, Kentucky I don't quite live in the South, but one way or another I've heard southern expressions all my life, and I have never heard of this one. The best I can figure is that it's devilish hard to make a harelip go away... 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