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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Page 2 of 2 1 2 Re: Boorish Charmer DBerman #192986 09/07/2010 12:37 PM Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh My understanding (completely self-generated, but based on some knowledge of basic computer programming) is that the routine that handles the input is looking for four digits and if it doesn't get them it's not going to work. Which seems wrong to me. The fact that you are holding down a modifier key (the Alt key in this case) should be all that is necessary. Leading zeros add nothing to the mix. 70, 070, 0070 are all 70. Of course, tsuwm's point is well-taken. 0177 does look a lot like octal. In my original posting to the thread about the Unicode value, I prepended a 0x to the number indicating it was hexadecimal. Ceci n'est pas un seing. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Boorish Charmer DBerman #192991 09/07/2010 10:54 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Well, does it work without the leading zero? Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Boorish Charmer Faldage #192996 09/08/2010 12:03 AM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass tsuwm Carpal Tunnel tsuwm Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass I'd guess not, but that wasn't my point, was it?! Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Boorish Charmer DBerman #192998 09/08/2010 12:42 AM Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 2 catherinegordon stranger catherinegordon stranger Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 2 From my (possibly unfeminist) perspective, I can imagine a man being a "boorish charmer" but not a woman. women can often be attracted to someone who is a "rascal, scoundrel, raffish, devil-may-care, heartless" , all negative terms in some sense, but which imply a disrespect for convention and therefore an exciting sense of danger and adventure. "Boorish" has connotations of bad manners and rough conduct, but combined with "charmer" moves into the category of DELIBERATE intent to impress, therefore implying that the boorishness is a superficial affectation rather than an innate quality. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Boorish Charmer tsuwm #193001 09/08/2010 11:13 AM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Originally Posted By: tsuwm I'd guess not, but that wasn't my point, was it?! Well, I dunno. We were talking about how to get the ± character. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Boorish Charmer Faldage #193019 09/09/2010 11:56 AM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 OK. I tried it on my work Windows machine and ALT-177 worked but it didn't give me ±. It gave me ▒. I put the two characters in a txt file and did a hex dump and got this: Code: 00000000 ff fe b1 00 0d 00 0a 00 92 25 |.........%| 0000000a The txt file was ± ▒ Last edited by Faldage; 09/09/2010 11:58 AM. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Boorish Charmer DBerman #193020 09/09/2010 12:17 PM Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh I put the two characters in a txt file and did a hex dump Hmm. 1. What program did you use to create the text file on the Windows machine? 2. How did you transfer the text file to the Linux machine? ff fe b1 00 0d 00 0a 00 92 25 Allowing for the little-endian-ness of Windows (and Linux) reordering of bytes: 0xFFFE : magic number for UTF-8 0x00B1 : decimal 177 for ± 0x000D : decimal 13 for CR (carriage return) 0x000A : decimal 10 for LF (linefeed) 0x2592 : decimal 9618 for Medium Shade ▒ According to this page, you can get it in Windows by typing Alt-2592 or Alt-177. Go figure. Ceci n'est pas un seing. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Boorish Charmer DBerman #193030 09/09/2010 11:36 PM Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont on a mac, it's shift-option = or I suppose it's option + ± formerly known as etaoin... Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Boorish Charmer zmjezhd #193032 09/10/2010 12:28 AM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Originally Posted By: zmjezhd I put the two characters in a txt file and did a hex dump Hmm. 1. What program did you use to create the text file on the Windows machine? 2. How did you transfer the text file to the Linux machine? ff fe b1 00 0d 00 0a 00 92 25 Allowing for the little-endian-ness of Windows (and Linux) reordering of bytes: 0xFFFE : magic number for UTF-8 0x00B1 : decimal 177 for ± 0x000D : decimal 13 for CR (carriage return) 0x000A : decimal 10 for LF (linefeed) 0x2592 : decimal 9618 for Medium Shade ▒ According to this page, you can get it in Windows by typing Alt-2592 or Alt-177. Go figure. I did the original file (177.txt) in NotePad and transfered it to my home box with a flash drive. I did the hex dump with hexdump -C 177.txt. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Page 2 of 2 1 2 Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------  Information and announcements  Q&A about words  Wordplay and fun  Words and languages in schools  Miscellany  Weekly Themes  Looking for (writers, speakers,... (Old) Weekly themes. 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