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A Liberal is a guy willing to give away your money.
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I say we all go to a Pub, get hammered, and then discuss politics, because (a) nobody gave me a good reason to not do so when I started with this board (I'm with you BYB) (b) It seems at least we'll all think we make sense (Jazz - paragraph #1 and #4 are a bit contradicting...) and (c) anyone who couldn't agree to disagree would slowly learn the meaning of "subjectivity"... (pardon my opinion)(BTW-I refuse to put forth any more responses in this context)
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if you believe all that guff you gave out with
What, I'm not supposed to believe fact?
-subjective counting
-no standards
-heavily Democratic counties
-statistician's nightmare
all of those are solid facts, my friend
Plus, the Florida Suporeme Court is quite well known for being the single most liberal court in the US.
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Hi William,
This is indeed a good question to bring the discussion back to reasonable proportions: Nobody in their right mind would say Gore got "epurated". You would need a monolithic doctrine to define what "pure" and "impure" are to signify. Quite apart from its desirability, there is no trace of such a doctrine. I think the problems with the election arose not from lack of democracy, but from excessive expectations put in its basic rules. Democracy, while a necessary condition, is no replacement for leadership.
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Democracy, while a necessary condition, is no replacement for leadershipThat's good and pithy, Werner. Do you have a published work we can cite when quoting you? 
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Do you have a published work we can cite when quoting you? You may quote W. Sieber and M. Fischer, J. Mater. Sci. (1993), 28(6), 1639-44. It has nothing to do with the subject at hand (who cares?), but it is one of the few published "works" of mine  .
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W. Sieber and M. Fischer
you published something with Tsuwm?
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The election in Florida, etc. An open note to Jazzoctopus.
I wasn't at first inclined to reply to your reply, as I know for sure this isn't the forum for political debate. We have better fish to fry here, and there are plenty of other places to go to indulge your taste for partisan politics. I have no more to say on the issue at hand, but I do have a couple things I want to say to you, Jazz, and also for the benefit of the rest of our cyber community.
Firstly, I commend you for having a real commitment to the principles of our government, for the amount of time and trouble you obviously devote to learning the issues and facts of our political scene, and for the skill with which you express yourself. Frequently, one begins to despair of the future of our species when you look around and see the miserable excuses for human beings that hang around on street corners, malls and other adolescent haunts, not to mention the ones being locked up in distressing numbers for crimes ranging from nuisance to capital grade, while at the same time 50 guilty ones go free for each one put away, because there are too many to successfully prosecute. Then we come across someone like yourself. It's a joy to see a young person with a passion for something, maybe for a number of things/causes/interests. No great objective, or even a small personal one, was ever accomplished, or ever will be accomplished, without someone, or a number of individuals, with a passionate devotion to seeing it accomplished. So, don't let anyone or any setbacks, diminish that passion until it has run its course.
Of course, speaking as a member of the community, you have to realize that the passionate individual can be, and usually is, a real pain in the ass to everyone else. It's your responsibility, as a gentleman, to minimize this (I don't say avoid it entirely, because that's impossible). This will take, on your part, a lot of toleration for the views of others, however repugnant they may be to you. You have to do what does not come naturally to someone your age -- LISTEN, really listen not just pretend, to the other side, and make a genuine effort to see your opponent's view. Then, if you still disagree, do it like a gentleman. I think you really know what I'm getting at here.
Lastly, please keep in mind, that passion, while useful and even often necessary, is counterproductive, and even highly dangerous, if not governed by principle, good sense, and good taste. Some of the worst crimes in human history have been committed by people who let themselves be overmastered by their passion for what started out as a good cause. And every day, there are people whose dreams, projects, businesses and even their personal lives, are crashing down in failure because they will not, or can not, impose on their passions the limits which humanity, principle, morality, common sense, or good manners dictate.
Here endeth the sermon. Personally, I'm glad to have you around and I encourage you to keep on giving us the view of an enlightened young member of our community, even if I don't agree with your views, and I certainly won't agree often on politics. On other subjects, we probably have more in common than you would imagine.
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Bob, I...am near-speechless with wonder, at the veracity,
kindness, and damn common sense of your "sermon".
"We hold these truths to be self-evident..."
A deep bow to you, my friend.
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