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#187839 11/17/09 10:22 PM
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This weeks theme is about verbs. I never looked close at the word 'verb'. But now that I did, there isn't much obvious action in the word itself.

verb
1388, from O.Fr. verbe "part of speech that expresses action or being," from L. verbum "verb," originally "a word," from PIE base *were- (cf. Avestan urvata- "command;" Skt. vrata- "command, vow;" Gk. rhetor "public speaker," rhetra "agreement, covenant," eirein "to speak, say;" Hittite weriga- "call, summon;" Lith. vardas "name;" Goth. waurd, O.E. word "word")
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As far as I can see it is all about speaking. Not to be a chauvinist, cause I know now we are a shitty little country , but our word for verb is 'werkwoord'; litt.: workingword. I mean it shows what it means.

I mean it ìs the "part of speech that expresses action or being," but in this etymology(online) 'verb' seems to mean just word or call or command. Like as if a link is missing.

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>Like as if a link is missing.

not unlike the modernist slang interjection, "Word!".

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sh***y little country I wish you hadn't said that. Nothing wrong with The Netherlands in my book.
And, that is interesting--that the word for something, well, verbal, is now used to represent action.

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I won't say it again, even though you gave it a 3-star rating. smile
How would the interjection "word" be placed in a context, if I may ask that of tsuwm?

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I mean it ìs the "part of speech that expresses action or being," but in this etymology(online) 'verb' seems to mean just word or call or command.

An etymology is often just a bare list of related words with minimal glosses. Latin verbum also meant 'saying, expression, phrase, sentence'. It was used by Roman grammarians to translate the Greek term rhēma) 'that which is said, spoken'. Aristotle divided words into two categories: ονομα (onoma) 'name; noun' and ρημα (rhēma) 'verb'. (link). Grammarians, then as now, tended to use existing words rather than coin new ones.


Ceci n'est pas un seing.
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Originally Posted By: BranShea

How would the interjection "word" be placed in a context, if I may ask that of tsuwm?


lookup word at OneLook and take the first link (AHD), then scroll down until you find INTERJECTION..

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Originally Posted By: Jackie
sh***y little country I wish you hadn't said that. Nothing wrong with The Netherlands in my book.
And, that is interesting--that the word for something, well, verbal, is now used to represent action.


And after the pictures you've shown me, as well as all the links to sites, monarchial as well, I was
beginning to love it. Please don't downplay your country.


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Thanks tsuwm and now that I was there I took the tiny trouble to import it:

Word
"Slang; Used to express approval or an affirmative response to something. Sometimes used with up."

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Aristotle divided words into two categories: ονομα (onoma) 'name; noun' and ρημα (rhēma) 'verb'. (link).
This explanation makes sense, but the first sentence I read in your link made me laugh "verbum nullum fecit"

Luke, if I did not love my country, (monarchy or no monarchy) I would not live there.

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I know it, Bran, just making sure (with or without monarchy.)


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I'm enjoying reading this back and forth on verbs. In addition my time in The Netherlands as a student 40 years ago was most enjoyable.

In the thought for the day today I happen to notice Nietzche gets it wrong. He mixes his verbs and nouns. "To love, to hate," are verbs but my "feelings" are nouns. If I say "I feel angry" the verb is feel, the anger is neither right nor wrong it just is. It is only how I act on that feeling that is right or wrong. What I can promise about feelings is that I can recognize the feelings of others as neither right nor wrong and just accept them as they are. So I can promise to love forever because the decision to do so is mine. I risk and I trust and when the other does the same there is no problem being faithful

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