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My family (dau. and Hubby) has gotten me reading mysteries by John Sandford (Camp). All 3 I've read so far are set in Minneapolis, and--speaking of mysteries--there are references to parking ramps. I've heard of parking lots, parking spaces, and parking garages, but. What in the world is a parking ramp, please?
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a parking garage is a space where you or I park the family car! a parking ramp is a structure in which multiple cars can be parked. link (see Nomenclature)
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Generally the levels in a parking ramp are not level. They will be a ramp going from one story to the next, hence the term "parking ramp".
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parking rampsUsually, one is forbidden to park or walk on a parking ramp. The French verb that ramp comes from means 'to rise, rear up'. There is a verbal meaning of ramp in English of which I was unaware: ramp 'to act threateningly or violently; to assume a threatening stance' ( link), thjough I knew of the accompanying adjective form rampant used in heraldry of quadrupeds rearing up on two legs.
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We use parking garage, but parking ramp would be a synonym, and you would be understood, although it's not commonly used here. In most of them in this area there are no level spaces, except at the ends where the direction changes, and sometimes at the very top, usually unroofed, and not very many. So parking ramp makes sense.
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for those who couldn't be arsed to take the link (above):
The term multi-storey car park is used in the United Kingdom, Hong Kong, Singapore and many Commonwealth of Nations countries. In the western United States, the term parking structure is used, especially when it is necessary to distinguish such a structure from the "garage" in a house or an automobile service station. In some places in North America, "parking garage" refers only to an indoor, often underground structure – outdoor multi-level parking facilities are referred to by a number of regional terms:
* Parking structure is used in the Western United States and by civil engineers;
* Parking deck is used in the Southeast;
* Parkade is used in Canadian English; it is a portmanteau of parking and arcade;
* Parking ramp is used in the upper Midwest, especially Minnesota and Wisconsin, and has been observed as far east as Toledo, Ohio and Buffalo, New York.[EA]
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Parking ramp is used in the upper Midwest, especially Minnesota and Wisconsin, and has been observed as far east as Toledo, Ohio and Buffalo, New York.
Well, Feldwebel Freitag, I got the impression that nearly 95% of our loyal readership ignores links thinking that they suck souls from infants quicker than a lolcat. (Might have something to do with lurking PDFs and other of such-like ilk.) While I have been in the Midwest, on occasion, I have never engaged a local in a discussion of parking garages. Come to think on it, my Midwestern interlocutors were usually talking to me about that fact that I was not from around there.
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nuncle z,
you aren't from around here, are you‽
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nuncle z,
you aren't from around here, are you‽
-ron o. For those who can't be arsed to read the "Location" portion of the poster's information, no, he's from R'lyeh.
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tsuwm was just trying to ramp up the discussion a bit...
(per z's thoughts)
and yes, I would always use up along with ramp in this case.
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"especially Minnesota and Wisconsin " Well then, take the picture out of the link and see for Uselfs. I'm not from here neither, but I've just been in Wisconsin and they may not be too precious in the language even though they are good people.  " The French verb that ramp comes from means 'to rise, rear up'. There is a verbal meaning of ramp in English of which I was unaware: ramp 'to act threateningly or violently; to assume a threatening stance' (link) " The Dutch noun ramp , that may be related to this second English meaning means disaster. ( and that's what parking generally is) * Last but not least : I have this faint idea that nuncle z is more of a jazzbeau than of a nuncle.
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The Dutch noun ramp , that may be related to this second English meaning means disaster.I looked at the entry for ramp in a Dutch etymological dictionary, and they traced it back to Germanic word. I neglected to mention before that the Old French verb did not come from Latin but is thought to have been a borrowing from a Germanic language. The original was kramp (also in German and Dutch meaning 'convulsion'; cf. English cramp. The k got dropped in Burgundian and yielded ramp in French ( link).
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I'd not heard the term 'Parking Ramp' until yesterday. Parking buildings or parking lots are the norm down here. Mostly owned by a Mr Wilson who must make a ****load of money. Four Bucks an hour per car up to about 20 bucks a day times 200 (their largest catering for up to 6000) cars per building times over 100 odd sites around NZ = ****loads.
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Well, I was just trying to ramp up the humor, but I'm limited by what I have lying around to work with... and being barred from saying lol.... heh
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Ok; thanks, tsu. (FWIW, I did go to your link.) Here, it would be called a parking garage, even aboveground. I was confused, because to me a ramp is a means of conveyance, as in movement, not something you cease moving on for an extended period of time.
We have some parking ramps garages where each level is slanted, and some where the parking areas are level with ramps connecting them.
Thanks to zm. (hey, can I call you zoom?) and Branny for the info. on the Fr. and Dutch words.
Edit: speaking of different uses for the same word--I just proofread and noticed my uses of 'level'.
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Do the many thanks mean you want to close the subject? I was just getting there. It would be easier to call Zmjhezd ( still can't write it right without example) Dzem and take the tsk out tsuwm and call him Dzoom. What do you thinkz?  BTW, ZM, that's a nice page with those snippings. Is there any way to get to its homepage? And do I understand you have an etymology Dutch online dictionary? I have tried to find that often, but no succes.
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Do the many thanks mean you want to close the subject? I was just getting there. It would be easier to call Zmjhezd ( still can't write it right without example) Dzem and take the tsk out tsuwm and call him Dzoom. What do you thinkz? i think there is something a little visually palindromic about those letters in devnagri ज़्मझेज़्द not a true palindrome but sort of hinting at it
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Hey, yes! I can see ( not understand ) what you mean.
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Do the many thanks mean you want to close the subject? Like we ever let that stop us. We had a parking ramp here where I live that allowed parking on the ramped areas but not on the level areas. My analysis was that the ramped areas were the levels (1, 2, 3, etc) and the level areas were the transitions between the levels. This meant that the whole could be defined as a step function and a step function can have the points of transition defined or undefined and, in our case, they were undefined, so there was no there there on which to park.
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Oh, and around here anyway, a garage (unqualified except by an optional car count {1, 2, 3, etc} or attachment to the house) is where you park the family car if there's enough room left after the lawn equipment, kids' bikes, and all those things you're going to unpack one of these days take up whatever space they demand. A parking garage is an enclosed public space for the parking of some large number of cars related only by their ownership by people who have some business in the vicinity of said enclosed public space. A parking lot is open air and all at ground level.
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And do I understand you have an etymology Dutch online dictionary?
Alas, I think I found one, but will have to search through my older bookmarks to try to find it. The Dutch etymological dictionary I consulted was an older, paper one.
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palindromic
Well, I used to go by jheem hereabouts which was a Sanskritized (sorta) version of my first name, Jim. Zmjezhd is James spelled phonetically, backwards, but you have to imagine that the sequence zh is a digraph and the initial affricative has been split and reversed: /'ʤeɪmz/ -> /zmjeʒd/.
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Well, I used to go by jheem hereabouts which was a Sanskritized (sorta) version of my first name, Jim. Zmjezhd is James spelled phonetically, backwards, but you have to imagine that the sequence zh is a digraph and the initial affricative has been split and reversed: /'ʤeɪmz/ -> /zmjeʒd/. my apologies for mispelling - I was replying to someone who spelled it zmjhezd.
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When I first saw zmjezhd I was trying to derive it from the Russian змей, 'dragon' or змея, 'snake'. But the Cyrillic probably won't make it through the board's funny letters filter. In transliteration, 'zmjej' or 'zmjeya', where the 'j' indicates a glide.
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Do the many thanks mean you want to close the subject? Nah--I was just gettin' 'em in while I could; if I waited till I thought the thread had ended and then put them, I'd almost certainly forget to do it.
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i think there is something a little visually palindromic about those letters in devnagri ज़्मझेज़्द not a true palindrome but sort of hinting at it
I was referring to your devnagri word when I said I saw something resembling a palindrome. There is a sort of mirrored symetry in it. Sorry, the devnagri writing does not go correctly through the HTML -UBBC mill when it is quoted, so for reference you'd have to revisit your original post.
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about those letters in devnagri ज़्मझेज़्द >Sorry, the devnagri writing does not go correctly through the HTML -UBBC mill when it is quoted ?? (I suspect non-use of 'HTML and UBBCcode' for Markup)
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As is works for you, I understand your question marks. Not the sort of help you might be trying to give? Non of the Markup possiblities do the trick. At least not from my computer right now.
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Do the many thanks mean you want to close the subject? I was just getting there. It would be easier to call Zmjhezd ( still can't write it right without example) Dzem and take the tsk out tsuwm and call him Dzoom. What do you thinkz? i think there is something a little visually palindromic about those letters in devnagri ज़्मझेज़्द not a true palindrome but sort of hinting at it Bran, I clicked the Quote button, and then chose "using HTML and UBBCode" for Markup and this is the result - perhaps I have something different set in my Edit Preferences..
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latishya's I can see, but not Faldage's. I guess I don't have the proper Cyrillic font.
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That's what I did and usually do with good results, but there must be something amiss with my settings wherever. I'll check 'preferences'.
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When I first saw zmjezhd I was trying to derive it from the Russian змей, 'dragon' or змея, 'snake'. But the Cyrillic probably won't make it through the board's funny letters filter. In transliteration, 'zmjej' or 'zmjeya', where the 'j' indicates a glide.
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When I first saw zmjezhd I was trying to derive it from the Russian змей, 'dragon' or змея, 'snake'. But the Cyrillic probably won't make it through the board's funny letters filter. In transliteration, 'zmjej' or 'zmjeya', where the 'j' indicates a glide. let's see Thanks Faldage, i got it. it does not show in the previeuw, but it shows after submitting. I gave up too soon.
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When I first saw zmjezhd I was trying to derive it from the Russian змей, 'dragon' or змея, 'snake'. But the Cyrillic probably won't make it through the board's funny letters filter. In transliteration, 'zmjej' or 'zmjeya', where the 'j' indicates a glide. hmm, I can see the Cyrillic, but only on this post and Bran's subsequent reply. let's see what happens when I quote it. and yes, I have selected HTML and UBBCode.
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it does not show in the previeuw
The funny, yet unintuitive, manner in which the preview renders the glyphs properly in the editing mode, but once posted, those letters become escaped HTML entities, whereas, the proper editing mode, which shows the escaped entities, does not render the glyphs, &c.
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You didn't see it in my original post because I didn't have the settings right. You saw it in my quoting of myself because I did.
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You didn't see it in my original post because I didn't have the settings right. You saw it in my quoting of myself because I did.
I'm not talking about your post; I am talking about the way the edit thingumbob works when I am editing a post.
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ha! another solipsistic solecism.
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Do the many thanks mean you want to close the subject? I was just getting there. It would be easier to call Zmjhezd ( still can't write it right without example) Dzem and take the tsk out tsuwm and call him Dzoom. What do you thinkz? I think there is something a little visually palindromic about those letters in devnagri ज़्मझेज़्द not a true palindrome but sort of hinting at it . Did you maybe copy and paste latyshia's part, stum? ( I'll give it a try now )
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