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#18608 02/12/01 02:25 PM
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of Troy wrote : but i first learned about 'waxing' as a means of hair removal from my nana, who, waxed her chin every 3 days or so

Excuse me a moment while I go melt a candle!
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OK. What is the Gaelic (and I know there are different forms of the language) word for Celtic? Maybe the hard C for the tribe stems from its own language.


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AnnaS asks: What is the Gaelic word for Celtic?

In modern Scottish it is Gaidhealach for the race and Gàidhlig for the language. In neither of those words is the dh pronounced anything at all like a dental plosive or stop. If heard at all it would be something of a y sound. What the word was back when the Scots still lived in Hibernia when the Romans (who still pronounced all Cs hard anyway and who first met the Celts much earlier in the Gauls) I have no idea.

There were also Goidelic Celts (Scots and Irish) and Brythonic Celts (Britons and Gauls) and the terms above would only refer, at least in modern Gaelic, probably only to the Goidelic.


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The modern Welsh form of the Brythonic tongue would, I think, be celtaidd, rendered KEL-ti-eeth, tho' I may be making that end sound too long and open. My Welsh is even worse'n my English spillin!


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I don't think the Celts traditionally ever called themselves just that; it was more a name given to them by .... (fill in the blank: the Romans?, the Normans?). The names to describe themselves are far more localised.


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I keep thinking that the /k/ pronunciation of Celtic must be of the same nature as the /k/ pronunciation of the word ceilidh, referring to a traditional social event in Scotland, with much music and vigorous folk-dancing. Any thoughts on this?

Ceilidhs are jolly good fun, and such a good way of burning calories!



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more a name given to them by ....

Yes, I think that is partly true, in that most groups are more clearly recognised by the outsider - I believe the origin of the word is Latin (Celtae?) from Greek keltoi, hence the hard k sound. Not sure where Ceilidh fits in though Marianna - I think that comes direct from the Irish Gaelic form, doesn't it Helen?


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Marianna suggests: I keep thinking that the /k/ pronunciation of Celtic must be of the same nature as the /k/ pronunciation of the word ceilidh

The Gaelic (whether Irish or Scots) c is always a hard, /k/ sound, regardless of the following sound. I don't think there is any connection between the word céilidh (I believe the Irish is céili without the dh and I'm not sure about the é in the Irish) and the word Celtic. I don't doubt that there was some connection between the Greek keltoi and the Celts name for themselves. The Scots Gaidhealach is just too close and probably the dh was pronounced time back way back.


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from Greek keltoi

Yes, keltoi is the Greek word for warrior.


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belM>But it seems odd that the U.S. would have adopted this pronunciation [seltic] from the French.

maybe not that odd...if the French were the first to use the term in modern times, we would have been much more likely to follow their lead then would the British, who would have taken pains to appropriate a Greek/Latin style!


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