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this one is taken from the Glossary compiled by Pete Saussy:

Originally Posted By: Pete Saussy
SOERESMUS trope/french the use of foreign words and phrases mixed with your own language's text. Also called "macaronics" and "mingle mangle" which is often a more apt phrase


can't seem to find this anywhere online..


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I ran soer* through Onelook, and got a hit at Dictionary.com. It's way too long to copy here; I'll just give you the link . The only *esmus things looked to be medical.

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Originally Posted By: Jackie
I ran soer* through Onelook, and got a hit at Dictionary.com. It's way too long to copy here; I'll just give you the link.


so? laugh

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Interesting. Soeresmus and then soer(Jackie) made me look up
sorus
Sorus is a word we use that may come from Jiddish and means a heap of trouble. I'm surprised the word also exists in English. Don't know about possible connections.

Origin:
1825–35; < NL < Gk sōrós heap (?)

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Feeding onelook with "soer*" gives, among other choices "soeren kirkegaard" so I thought it might be "sřresmus". I googled that (with o for ř) and got a little better results, but not much better. What I found was this (emphasis mine):

Quote:
pp 665-6

At Borras (being the House of Edward Brereton, then High sheriff for the
County of Denbigh) on Chmrtnass in 1597 there was all the HoUdays a
Drum a Colestaff and a Book, whoever was taken in Bed after the first sound 15
of the Drum, or with never a penny about him or played for more than he
had to pay, or was found Drunk, or a common swearer, should ride this
Colestaff and be gallantly carried about the Court and the Hall, with the
Drum beating before him Royally; Huw Gryffydd being one of the Company
did often times offend in the Premises, one Sam«^/ Powell hearing so much, 20
wrote to him this Hodge-Podge or Soresmus following I

"Die Huw is it true, is tre, te nudum

Tan aden Borrassi?

Accw itti Aquitare

Cowlstaff trwm, post Drwm y dre 25

whereas Sam«^/ Vavfell thought by te nudum the bare Cowlstaffl Gryfi^'^
takes it otherwise, as if he meant his attritas Togae, his bare apparell, and in
that sense he answer'd him with this mingle-mangle following

"I ride without Pride, ar y Pren, in Borras

Byrroes fyddo i'r Cwlbren 30

Si nudus sum /Pen floeden/ ne Hoeden

Cave tu, eb'r Huw hen.


Looks like a sort of Europanto.

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Hodge-Podge.. and in
that sense he answer'd him with this mingle-mangle following [add't'l emphasis mine]

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this one is taken from the Glossary compiled by Pete Saussy

I take this to mean one of the versions of this book by George Stone Saussy III (aka Pete Saussy): The Oxter English Dictionary: Uncommon Words Used by Uncommonly Good Writers, The Logodaedalian's Dictionary of Interesting and Unusual Words. Or is there an online version of same? From what I gathered online via Google, Mr Saussy researched all his words in the OED or such-like. It may be a typo. From your site, he seems to have been in contact with you, why not ask the man himself?

I am a fan of macaronics, but I have not run across the word before, and mingle mangle seems more like a gallimaufry or hodgepodge than macaronics per se.


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"soeren kirkegaard"

While Kirkegaard is a comic philosophe, I don't think he is known for his macaronics. The Europanto seems mainly to be English, Welsh, and Latin all mixed up.

A better view of the same passage, scanned, (link).


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>why not ask the man himself?

I'll do that, but "nature abhors a vacuum, but not as much as cats do." (it's one of those words that Pete defines, and then gives examples of the trope, rather than citations for the word itself.)

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Originally Posted By: zmjezhd
The Europanto seems mainly to be English, Welsh, and Latin all mixed up.

A better view of the same passage, scanned, (link).


from the "English Glossary" in the same work:
soresmus n macaronic composition [LL(?)]

good work, guys!

edit: yes, George Stone Saussy III link (there's one review for this book, by Pete himself); many, many moons ago he sent me a version in Word, which has many egregious typos!

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