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It is a wonder they weren't injured whatever the official shaded weatherman was experiencing. At the same time, you can't go sticking your thermometer into a cup of coffee that happens to be on the court and report the players experienced temperatures of 212F. Is it normal in Texas to drink hot coffee on the tennis court at 43C in the shade? 
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Actually it's blue. I think it's some of the seats that are black.
Tasmania had record highs today. Flinders Island just off the coast north from here (between here and Melbourne) scored our all time state highest of 41C (106F). That was 19C (34F) above average! Here we met our previous record for a January day of 35.6C. It's still over 30 in my study at 10pm. (good grief, now I'm quoting myself - how indulgent!) Weather update - Tasmania's record lasted one day before another place scored a 42 yesterday! And my town had their hottest recorded day of 38C (100.4F). Today is a bit cooler but not much.
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Sure is making the news here with the televising of the Open.
I know I am one of a very few, but I'll take heat over
20 below zero any day. It hurts.
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Well it didn't seem to affect Serena Williams too much! She demolished Safina like a Mack Truck.
And how about that epic with Nadal and Vedasco? Have you ever seen more amazing tennis than that match? Incredible!
Can Federer equal Sampras' record tonight? I think he can, the way he's playing.
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What a game! I was thinking Federer as well. My eyes are slightly droopy this morning.
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She certainly is sui generis.
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And my town had their hottest recorded day of 38C (100.4F). Today is a bit cooler but not much. The locals cooling off. Onya mate!  
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And my town had their hottest recorded day of 38C (100.4F). Today is a bit cooler but not much. The locals cooling off. Onya mate! Hey there New Zealand: Your little critter (what is it?) looks quite cool. Is it hot there like Australia??
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Kia ora Luke,
The little critter is a Kool Koala, especially for our mate Pook across the ditch. And yes it is very hot at the moment but my heart goes out to all our Aussie cuzzies who have been affected by the fires.
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Kia ora Luke,
The little critter is a Kool Koala, especially for our mate Pook across the ditch. And yes it is very hot at the moment but my heart goes out to all our Aussie cuzzies who have been affected by the fires. The lastest death toll is likely to be around 110-120. These Victorian fires are now the worst in our history. They followed a record 46.5 degree day in Melbourne. Hundreds of people are burned or injured, around 800 houses razed to the ground, including several whole small townships, and over 330,000 hectares of forest burned (a hectare is about 2.2 acres I think).
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My heart goes out to you all. We know the situation in California, usually each year. You are making our news
continually with live update pictures. The very concept
of the poor people is devastating.
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Kia ora Luke,
The little critter is a Kool Koala, especially for our mate Pook across the ditch. And yes it is very hot at the moment but my heart goes out to all our Aussie cuzzies who have been affected by the fires. I figured it was something like a Koala. What is Kia ora?
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Kia ora Luke,
Kia ora is a New Zealand maori greeting It literally means 'have life'. It can also be an acknowledgement of something good or well done.
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A brand of orange juice in the UK.
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A brand of orange juice in the UK. Thanks Olly. I have a friend who always says: "be well", to end his letters. Now I have something with which to surprise him. I appreciate your response. Orange Juice? Impressive: be well, OJ does help us do that.
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Orange Juice? Impressive: be well, OJ does help us do that.
In a British TV comedy featuring a character from the UK visiting New Zealand, the lead character arrives at his destination and is greeted with "Kia ora", to which he replies, "no thanks, water will do fine".
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That is an interesting little tidbit. The British OJ is
obviously well known. Well, here, 1000 miles from the big
pond, I've never heard it. However there is a gentleman
who comes to a place where I volunteer is from New Zealand.
I will use it on him next time I see him. I appreciate it.
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My heart goes out to you all. We know the situation in California, usually each year. You are making our news continually with live update pictures. Thanks very much Luke. Likewise we heard of the devastating fires in California the last couple of Summers with massive loss of life and property. I think you lost over a thousand homes in 2007? Australia sent specialist firefighters to help then, and we are presently making use of your big water-dumping helicopters. There is another Aussie connection with Californian wildfires of course, and that is the Eucalyptus tree. One of the causes of the worsening fires in California (along with increased population and perhaps climatic changes) is the planting of gum trees (Eucalypts). Eucalyptus forest burns explosively, creating firestorms unlike any other, on account of the oil in the leaves. The very concept of the poor people is devastating. The latest death toll is 181, and that will probably rise into the 200s. Around 800 homes and hundreds of other buildings have been destroyed and thousands are homeless. Perhaps a million native animals have perished. Here is a list of the known dead and missing. Many others will take months to identify. Some will probably never be found or identified. These fires were totally different from any experienced even in Australia before. The intensity was so great and they moved so quickly, that many people fled when it was too late or were unable to protect their properties if they chose to stay. It moved faster than a car can drive at times and many people died in their vehicles. The heat was lethal at about 100 metres (350 feet) from the fire front. Part of the reason for this was the record high temperatures (see above in this thread re the tennis Open) in the three days prior to it. The day of the fire it reached almost 48 degrees C (118F). There is an increased alert in the area of one of the fires today, with it flaring up again near the town of Healesville. Thankyou for your thoughts and prayers for the people of Victoria.
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My sympathies, too, for the sufferers and victims.
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and we are presently making use of your big water-dumping helicopters.
I was very surprised to read one news report which said that the Southern Hemisphere's largest helicopter and Bambi bucket, capable of carrying 5 tons of water, had flown to Australia from New Zealand. I had no idea that New Zealand had any need for such a big fire-fighting helicopter. Apparently it took 15 hours and several hops to make the trip.
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There are always deaths, but yours' are catastrophic. Such
a calamity. Such a horrific way to die. Prayers.
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They reported on NPR this morning that one person was arrested for the crime of starting one of the wildfires.
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Yes, I heard that. Man's inhumanity to man. I just not conceive
how anyone could be so brutal, or even wish to be.
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Yet man's inhumanity to man shows itself in just being
impolite to another.
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Heinousness embodied...
the shootings yesterday: school in Germany, family in US.
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It's totally beyond understanding Luke. At least to me it is.
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Religion may be verbotten on the forum. Nevertheless, I would propose that that the basic cause of such is the increasing lack of religion, particularly Christianity, in society. I am a graduate of that controversial, allegedly fundamentalistic school know as Bob Jones University. The founder had an illustration that he used in his preaching. He portrayed Mr. Smith, walking down a sidewalk, swinging his right arm horizontally. He encounters Mr. Jones, who asks him what he is doing. Mr. Smith says that he is exercising his personal liberty. Mr. Jones replies by reminding Mr. Smith that where Mr. Jones' nose begins, Mr. Smith's personal liberty ends. The Bible says that love is the fulfilling of the law. The law referred to is the moral law: ten basic commandments delimiting man's relationship with God and man's relationship with other men.
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those concepts were around before Christianity.
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...and so were the 10 commandments...
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11 Observe what I command you today. See, I will drive out before you the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites.
12 Take care not to make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land to which you are going, or it will become a snare among you.
13 You shall tear down their altars, break their pillars, and cut down their sacred poles
14 (for you shall worship no other god, because the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God).
15 You shall not make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to their gods, someone among them will invite you, and you will eat of the sacrifice.
16 And you will take wives from among their daughters for your sons, and their daughters who prostitute themselves to their gods will make your sons also prostitute themselves to their gods.
17 You shall not make cast idols.
18 You shall keep the festival of unleavened bread. For seven days you shall eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, at the time appointed in the month of Abib; for in the month of Abib you came out from Egypt.
19 All that first opens the womb is mine, all your male livestock, the firstborn of cow and sheep.
20 The firstborn of a donkey you shall redeem with a lamb, or if you will not redeem it you shall break its neck. All the firstborn of your sons you shall redeem.
No one shall appear before me empty-handed.
21 For six days you shall work, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even in ploughing time and in harvest time you shall rest.
22 You shall observe the festival of weeks, the first fruits of wheat harvest, and the festival of ingathering at the turn of the year.
23 Three times in the year all your males shall appear before the Lord God, the God of Israel.
24 For I will cast out nations before you, and enlarge your borders; no one shall covet your land when you go up to appear before the Lord your God three times in the year.
25 You shall not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven, and the sacrifice of the festival of the passover shall not be left until the morning.
26 The best of the first fruits of your ground you shall bring to the house of the Lord your God.
You shall not boil a kid in its mother's milk.
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So Fal, where are the other 587?
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Oh, I'm sure they're scattered about in Leviticus. You know, stuff like not wearing 50/50 cotton/polyester T shirts, not eating crab rangoon, stuff like that. The ones I posted were the Ten Commandments 2.0, the ones God gave Moses after he broke the first ten.
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could you check the numbering, please? there seems to be some interpolated shalls (e.g., between 20/21, after 26). thanx.
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Oh, I'm sure they're scattered about in Leviticus. You know, stuff like not wearing 50/50 cotton/polyester T shirts, not eating crab rangoon, stuff like that. The ones I posted were the Ten Commandments 2.0, the ones God gave Moses after he broke the first ten. and in Numbers and Deuteronomy.
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Numbers and Deuteronomy, of course. I shouldn't have forgotten those.
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The ten commandments listed and stated in their simplest forms are found in Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5. However, they are reiterated in several places as individual commandments. I'm both surprised and appalled at the lack of knowledge manifested by the various comments. For example: some apparently think that Christianity is a stand-alone religion existing totally separate from Judaism. It is not. Christianty is an extension of Judaism. (N.B. A Jew will disagree because he does not believe that Jesus is the Messiah.) If one is willing first to examine Law as it is expressed in the Old Testament alone (although I am a Christian, a Jew should be able to have a dialogue with me on that point. We should basically agree.) There are essentially three divisions to the Law as expressed in the Old Testament. (1) There are the Ten Commandments, which are also called the moral law. (2) Then there are the ceremonial laws which have to do with the cultus of Old Testament worship. While a Jewish person, unless he is a Messianic Jews, will not agree with the Christian interpretation of the continued applicablility of these ceremonial laws, Christianity believes that they apply to the New Testament era in principle only because Jesus is believed to be the Messiah (the Christ) and that his obedient life and voluntary death on the cross satisfy the detail of the Old Testament ceremonial laws. That's what the New Testament bbook of Hebrews is all about although there are various other references in the New Testament, as for example, in Acts, Galatians and Ephesians, etc. (3) Then there are the civil laws. These are the laws given to the commonwealth of Israel which expired when Israel ceased to be a nation, although the equity of those laws still apply today. All those -- what? the 587 other laws -- are essentially case laws, which are multiple practical illustrations of the application of the various ten commandments to social living. An example: the Old Testament case law required Hebrews to build a wall around the edges of their flat-topped roofs (rooves) so that people would not fall of the edges and be killed or injured. Modern homes typically do not have flat-roofs (there are some) by an application of the equity of that law would be the building of banisters on porches and stairs. They are all practical applications of the moral commandment: you shall not commit murder or manslaughter. Another example from the Old Testament era and its extension into the New Testament era illustrating the law: you shall not steal. In Old Testament times and even in New TEstament times until the invention of mechanical tools to thresh wheat or corn, tethered oxen were used to separate the grain from the stalk by walking on it. The OT said: do not muzzle the ox that treads out the corn. Jesus said that the laborer is supposed to be paid for his work. Then the apostle Paul building on both of those examples said that a minister was to be paid for his preaching. Today, stop signs and speed limits are regulations that extend the biblical principles (equity) pertaining to you shall not commit murder. Numerous other examples could be given. What about 50/50 clothes. Yes, there are some sects of Christianity and spin-off cults that are step-children of Christianity that believe that all those Old Testament civil and ceremonial laws continue to be applicable today (except for animal sacrifice). But, in the main branches of Christianity, especially Protestantism, although to some degree even in Romanism and Eastern Orthodoxy, only the equity of those laws (civil and ceremonial) continue. The Ten Commandments, however, are viewed still to be applicable. [There is a difference in the numeration of the Ten Commandment between the Protestants and the Romans because the Romans combine the first two of the Protestant numeration into one commandment and split the tenth of the Protestant numeration into two. Thus, there ares still Ten Commandments. The difference is practical but essential: Protestants believe that attempts to worship God through means that are not specified in the Scriptures violate the Second COmmandment. Since the Romanists absorb this prohibition into the first commandment, they only emphasize the required monotheism.] TMI?
A helpful reference on this may be found in the historic Presbyterian creed called the Westminster Confession of Faith. (see Chapter XIX (19) Anyone who is interested in pursuing an historic Protestant interpretation of the Ten Commandments, should access a second historic Presbyterian creed called the Westminster Larger Catechism (questions 91 through 153). These two creeds were drafted by a council consisting primarily of English ministers and laymen with some few representatives from Scotland and the Netherlands between 1643 and 1648. This council has been called the Westminster Assembly. These creeds are still held today by the great number of Presbyterian denominations through out the world and agreed to by Anglicans, Episcopalians, Continental Reformed, Methodists, Baptists, and Congregationalists although the latter denominations might articulate them differently while retaining the same meanings in essence. For example, the Anglican and Episcopalians hold to the Thirty-nine Articles; the Continental Reformed hold to the Belgic Confession and the Heidelberg Catechism; the Baptists to the London Confession; and the Congregationalists to the Cambridge or the Savoy Platforms.
It's really quite simple and not as ridiculous as some might try to make it. Your rights end where my nose begins.
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Well written Pastor, whilst I agree with many of your assertions I feel that my response to them would not be appropriate in this forum.
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