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increased usage by media; acceptable?
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No.
In anything even remotely formal, I'd be horrified. Maybe in play scripts or other forms that are trying to approximate speech, but sheesh...you gotta (!) draw the line somewhere...gs
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Dear Kingfisher: I am also fed up with "wannabe".wwh
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Unfortunately, what the media decides to allow as "acceptable" becomes so. Yuck. 
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I'm gonna hafta stratein yew ot here...ya gotta no dat if it's sompin you feel strong nuf about yer gonna wanna make yer voice herd 'n stop that it's too late to change or my vote don't count crap....Yern'Merican aintcha?
Disclaimer - although I have no accent (not actually possible) there are plenty of people I know that speak as I have typed and arranged those words. There is no other way to get the whole picture (as I told the story) and "no other way" for them to communicate...
Claimer - I wrode the "L" into the Loop yesterday, and the recorded announcement clearly stated that we were approaching the Harold Washington LIBARY)! I'll bet money I could get them to change that!
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When has modern written English (post Samuel J) ever resembled its spoken counterpart? I mean, when a "knight" really was a "kn-icht" things were ducky. Even Pepys must have been doing alright. But, nowa daiz? Hey, who cares as long as the spell-checker (saving Aenigma), works and I can add my own idiosyncratic spellings to the list!
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I truly believe that these three words are approaching the designation of "contractions", which is exactly where "modern" American language seeks to "re-assemble" it's spoken counterpart, and should be allowed to continue to develop as American, not as English. (don't make me say it again) When lines are drawn, quite often it is viewed as a challenge to cross (as I know someone will to my using the word "exactly"  ). It may be more accurate to say, "draw all the lines you want, we ain't payin attention." The "media" is notorious for that.
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should be allowed to continue to develop as American, not as English
The French, at least, already do consider American and English (British) two different languages (dialects?). Books translated into French are noted on the title page as having been "translated from the English (anglais)" or "from the American."
I don't think it has to do with "drawing lines," only with the normal development of languages.
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At the risk of horrifying the onlookers, isn't attempting to establishing a normal process of language development "drawing lines" or "establishing roads to follow"?(eg. limiting the development of language to that which passes (through channels) to become part of a dictionary (certainly not limited to this example)). Possibly a change in formal syntactical theory is in order to go with the new words (perhaps not), however, the masses of people will drive, the few will read tire tracks...
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I'd normally (writing colloquial dialogue) write 'going to' and say 'gonna' (actually [g@n@] with schwa), so there's no reason to make the spelling fit the pronunciation.
I'd use an alternative spelling where it was something I didn't normally contract: I use 'isn't it?' as a tag, so if I made a character say 'innit?' I'd have to write it that way.
I'm quite tempted to write 'hafta' because 'have to' just doesn't look right, and I've come across genuine cases where they contrast. Making up an example: 'the next thing I have to do'.
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