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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Monkfish or Sea Devil #179088 09/11/2008 9:56 AM Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 Netherlands, the Hague BranShea Carpal Tunnel BranShea Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 Netherlands, the Hague Back below sealevel. Monkfish( Lophius piscatorius ) I like to watch the BBC 2 program "Trawler". Yesterday there was a boat with catches of loads and loads of monkfish.When they gave a close up I saw that this is the rather expensive fish we call sea devil. (zeeduivel) What a strange controversial (?) outcome for two languages so closely connected. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Monkfish or Sea Devil BranShea #179089 09/11/2008 10:23 AM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Local names vary widely even within the same language. I can't think of any examples as good as the monk/devil dichotomy offhand but I'm sure someone will come up with some. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Monkfish or Sea Devil Faldage #179102 09/12/2008 7:17 AM Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,154 British Columbia, Canada Zed Pooh-Bah Zed Pooh-Bah Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,154 British Columbia, Canada Anyone know of the origin of the two names? Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Monkfish or Sea Devil Zed #179104 09/12/2008 10:56 AM Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 Netherlands, the Hague BranShea Carpal Tunnel BranShea Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 Netherlands, the Hague Well, there's information enough about the monkfish, monkfish and it has other( goosefish ) and local names as well, but what surprised me was that the English names are so undescriptive. I'm a visuality addict and I look at the creature and try to see the monk in it. No way. Seadevil, Yes! just look at it! (link) The other Dutch name Hozemond (Hugemouth)(or maybe Heavemouth) definitely yes. Online etymology has no aswer (so maybe there isn't) Sobeit! Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Monkfish or Sea Devil BranShea #179106 09/12/2008 1:23 PM Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh Some details about the sea monk (link) which may or may not help. It seems that amongst the fish called monkfish in English are included two genuses: Lophius (anglerfish) and Squatina (angelsharks). Ceci n'est pas un seing. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Monkfish or Sea Devil zmjezhd #179111 09/13/2008 7:18 AM Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,154 British Columbia, Canada Zed Pooh-Bah Zed Pooh-Bah Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,154 British Columbia, Canada Erk! I knew it was ugly but I hadn't realized it was BIG. It grows to 5 feet long! Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Monkfish or Sea Devil Zed #179112 09/13/2008 9:14 AM Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 Netherlands, the Hague BranShea Carpal Tunnel BranShea Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 Netherlands, the Hague It was the word. I didn't choose it for ugliness' sake. If you take a look at zmjezhd's link the monk they thought the fish looked like is equally ugly. (Thanks for that link, zmjehzd)). A somewhat farfetched resemblance , but they may have had Savonarola in mind who was actively brandishing sinners a little before that time and was as ugly as a monkfish indeed. Savonarola Well, that monk ended up fried like a monkfish. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------  Information and announcements  Q&A about words  Wordplay and fun  Words and languages in schools  Miscellany  Weekly Themes  Looking for (writers, speakers,... (Old) Weekly themes. (have been... ------  Words from medicine  Beheading words  Meta-words  Words from classical mythology  Animal Safari  Words with unusual etymologies  Eponyms or words derived from p...  Loanwords from German  English as a global language Print Thread Switch to Threaded Mode Show Likes Link Copied to Clipboard View Profile Private Message Website Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Website Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Website Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Website Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Website Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary

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