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Is there a word for a moment of dramatic silence in the middle of a piece of music?
The effect is used in a lot of modern music, but is by no means new. There is three seconds of breathtaking silence, for example, in the otherwise tempestuous Sind Blitze sind Donner in Wolken verschwinden chorus of Bach's Matthäuspassion (quod vide! quod vide!).
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well, there's the Grand Pause.
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Is there a word for a moment of dramatic silence in the middle of a piece of music?
The effect is used in a lot of modern music, but is by no means new. There is three seconds of breathtaking silence, for example, in the otherwise tempestuous Sind Blitze sind Donner in Wolken verschwinden chorus of Bach's Matthäuspassion (quod vide! quod vide!). Christmas theme in a Holy Week piece?
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In fast-paced and tempestuous music, it's a little like the eye of the hurricane. First an abrupt stop, then a short silence, then an explosive recapitulation.
>Grand Pause
I knew it would be something like that.
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Christmas theme in a Holy Week piece? Not sure what your question is, but if you're interested... Sind Blitze, sind Donner in Wolken verschwunden?
[Hath lightning, hath thunder in clouds fully vanished?]
Eröffne den feurigen Abgrund, o Hölle,
[Lay open thy fire's raging chasm, O hell, then,]
Zertrümmre, verderbe, verschlinge, zerschelle
[Now ruin, demolish, devour, now shatter]
Mit plötzlicher Wut
[With suddenmost wrath]
Den falschen Verräter, das mördrische Blut!
[The lying betrayer, that murderous blood!]
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Sind Blitze, sind Donner in Wolken verschwunden?
[Hath lightning, hath thunder in clouds fully vanished?] Not to mention Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen, Comet, and Cupid. And I would have translated verschwunden as 'dashed away.'
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Sind Blitze, sind Donner in Wolken verschwunden?
[Hath lightning, hath thunder in clouds fully vanished?] Not to mention Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen, Comet, and Cupid. And I would have translated verschwunden as 'dashed away.' heh
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And I would have translated verschwunden as 'dashed away.' I copied what I pasted above from the PDF booklet to the Hänssler edition of the Complete Works of Bach. Take it up with Alison Dobson-Ottmers, and do not be intimidated by her native German-English bilingualism and battery of degrees in translation studies. But perhaps this is a joke. If so, you have the German sense of humour, if not the Sprachgefühl. :P
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But perhaps this is a joke.
Ya think mehbe?
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Sind Blitze, sind Donner in Wolken verschwunden?
[Hath lightning, hath thunder in clouds fully vanished?] . Dashing!
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But as for dramatic silences in music, isn't the silence (the "grandest" pauze of all) the one between the very last note of a great performance and the applause?
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But perhaps this is a joke.
Ya think mehbe? Perhaps Hydra is unfamiliar with the poem.
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Ja, ja! Ein guter witz! 
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I would use the word caesura to describe a significant pause in the music, essentially a rest of undefined duration -- that is of a duration at the discretion of the conductor. 
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the caesura, is usually shorter than a...
grand pause.
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Hey, Pookie, welcome! You're only the second (identified) Tasmanian we've had on here. (paulb, are you still around?)
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I found it on YouTube if you'd like to hear it with your own ears. Sind Blitze, sind Donner in Wolken verschwunden starts at 5.49. The "grand pause/caesura" is at 6.23. Enjoy.
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Hey, Pookie, welcome! You're only the second (identified) Tasmanian we've had on here. (paulb, are you still around?) Thanks for the welcome. Really? Actually I'm an ex-patriate Sydneysider, but have had the operation to graft the second head and extra fingers on.  Pookie is the name of a character in a children's book. I'm THE Pook, which is different, like Winnie THE Pooh, but you can call me that if you like, I don't mind. 
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you can call me that if you like Thanks--I just thought it sounded friendly. And anybody from Tasmania gets an automatic yea/yay from me! paulb's a Lancastrian, himself. Must be a nice place to move to.
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I know it well; have sung it many times. Well, the alto part in the chorus.
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Welcome, Pookaroonie! I'm enjoying your posts.
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Yeah, they are great, aren't they? But... Pookaroonie?! [raised eyebrow e] 
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Or Launcestonian. I live about 65km (40 miles) from there. Interesting how people in whatever forum I join just can't seem to resist creating cutesie diminutives from my name!  ...and interesting how the word 'diminutive' refers to making something bigger, isn't it? That is, adding a suffix or prefix (or both) in order to show affection or familiarity. I wonder if this qualifies as one of those words with antonynomous usages discussed in that other thread? Nobody ever guesses where my handle comes from either. But it's interesting hearing the conjectures as to its etymology. This is my 25th post, do I get an award or something?
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Nobody ever guesses where my handle comes from Kipling?
Your designation changes at 25 posts. Woo.
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Yep, I'm now a newbie (blows toy trumpet to celebrate). No it's nothing so grand as a literary allusion.
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Nobody ever guesses where my handle comes from either. you're a non-aspiring ghost?
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Interesting how people in whatever forum I join just can't seem to resist creating cutesie diminutives from my name! Must have heard Pookita by now but have any from Japan called you Pook-chan? [Hoping to have guessed right about being a girlie.]
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interesting how the word 'diminutive' refers to making something bigger, isn't it?
Diminutive affixes indicate smallness (and in some languages, connotations of cuteness): e.g., Italian or Spanish -ino, German -chen. Augmentative affixes indicate bigness (and in some languages, pejorative connotations): e.g., Italian -one.
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Nobody ever guesses where my handle comes from either. you're a non-aspiring ghost? Clever pun. No The Pook is not a non-aspirant non-aspirated Spook!
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interesting how the word 'diminutive' refers to making something bigger, isn't it?
Diminutive affixes indicate smallness (and in some languages, connotations of cuteness): e.g., Italian or Spanish -ino, German -chen. Augmentative affixes indicate bigness (and in some languages, pejorative connotations): e.g., Italian -one. Yes, that's interesting. Or like -shka -ski etc in Slavic languages. The point I was making was that a 'diminutive' denotes not just the affix itself, but the resulting word, which is bigger than the word was before the affix was affixed. As in "Pookaroonie is a diminutive of Pook." It's an example of definition by usage. A diminutive has come to mean an affectionate nickname or something similar. Regarding affixes and suffixes, I was always taught that an affix was a prefix and therefore the opposite of a suffix, which is added to the end of a word. But looking at the nearest dictionary to hand it seems that a prefix or a suffix is merely a subset of an affix, which is the term used to describe any addition to a word? How do others use those terms? And if this is so, does an affix include letters added in the middle of a word? Which would be called what? An infix? This is getting too far off topic, so I have reposted it in the Wordplay and Fun section - perhaps best to reply there - sorry for hijacking the music question.
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I thought your nom-de-ouaibbe had something more to do with Puck or Pooka (Irish Púca), Kipling even, but then I am know to let my fancy fun away with my diminutive wit.
Ceci n'est pas un seing.
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diminutive wit As in, half-? [EG]
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...I'm THE Pook ... like Winnie THE Pooh, but you can call me that if you like, I don't mind. OK! "THE POOH" it is.
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The point I was making was that a 'diminutive' denotes not just the affix itself, but the resulting word, which is bigger than the word was before the affix was affixed.
Yes, affixes are one way that (inflectional) languages go about created new words from old ones. In linguistics this is usually called derivational morphology to keep it separate from desinences which usually indicate case, number, gender, and other grammatical categories. The diminutive refers not to the affix or the word, but usually the referent.
An infix?
There are circumfixes, too.
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As in, half-?
Not quite synonymous, but that's kinda what.
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I thought your nom-de-ouaibbe had something more to do with Puck or Pooka (Irish Púca), Kipling even, but then I am know to let my fancy fun away with my diminutive wit. hahahahaha. I'm having fun with this. The real reason I am The Pook is much more mundane and unguessable than this. um... Pardon MY diminutive wit, but what's a nom-de-ouaibbe? Never heard of a ouaibbe, but then I don't speak French.
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