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#169831 09/05/2007 2:09 PM
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A friend recently asked me: 'What do you call an arbitrary word / sound that replaces another word / concept (thingamajig, watchamacallit and gizmo, or words found often in pop songs, 'my ding-a-ling, my ding-a-ling, I want you to play with my ding-a-ling', or words like bling)'

I am unable to answer him - any help? I am not certain that the examples he gives all fall within the same category, but a lead on this would be gratefully received.

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These may be too specific, but all I can come with are patter and doo-wop.

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Thanks - what he is looking for is the definition of such words - what does one call this category of words, technically? They are not Onomatopoeic - what are they?

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In the song, the ding-a-ling is (supposedly) a bell, so that's an onomatopoeia since bells make that sound (the euphemistic meaning in the song is something that dangles like a bell). Bling (shortened from bling-bling) is also more or less an onomatopoeia - the cartoon sound of light glistening off gold/gems or the sound of lots of jewelery clinking together.

thingamajig, watchamacallit, gizmo, etc. are often called placeholder names. A rather extensive list in multiple languages can be found here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placeholder_name

Some doo-wop lyrics can be placeholders (Who put the bomp in the bomp-shu-bomp-shu-bomp?) because they are taking the place of other words, but some are merely exclamations or a possibly form of scatting (Be-bomp-a-loo-bop, a-whamp-bam-boom) or maybe early beatboxing.

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and jazz vocalists "scat".

perhaps vocalese?


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Rut-roh, Myridon, I think you just got mantled.

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Vocalese is somewhat the opposite - putting lyrics to an instrumental piece.
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Why did Ludwig write this silly tune?
It wasn't free.
That's for sure.
The money, all in cash,
Came from Elise.
Thus it was she
He wrote it Für.

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good point, Myr.


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A bell? I don't think so.

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placeholder names

I would've called them metasyntactic variables (e.g., foo, bar, baz, and quux) from the term in computer science, but placeholder name works fine for me.


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honi soit qui mal y pense
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"(supposedly)". I also know a Friendly Little Cat. Or perhaps you'd like a second-hand chair...

If I can't sell it, I'm gonna sit down on it.
I ain't gonna give it away.
Now darling if you want it, you're gonna have to buy it.
And I mean just what I say.


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