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>Isn't that a link to the same post
when I click your (long) link I get an error message, I truncated that string after the post number to get my link, so I assume it ends up at the same place.
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Since you're too lazy to read http://www.citizendium.org/about.htmlI'll summarize. On wikipedia (and most other wikis), you can login and edit the wiki as myridon or tsuwm or whatever and be totally anonymous. To edit citizendium, you have to login with a real name and submit a bio. Then, when you submit an article on healthcare, people can go to: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/User:Dale_L._Hilemanand say: "Hey, this guy doesn't know anymore about healthcare than my grandmother's dog. This article has no authority behind it."
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Myr, thank you for the link, I'm flattered
But I still don't see any substantial difference
Then please do reveal the Truth about health care
Jackie, thanks, I had wondered about the difference between those two Search algorithms
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You want to buy a book on Ford Mustang repair. The bookstore has 3 such books. The books are the same price, same length, similar in quality as far as a non-expert on Ford repairs can tell. So you look at the dust jackets: Book 1: Citizendium Press. James A. Johnson. Certified Ford Mechanic for over 20 years. 17 time winner of Ford Service Excellence Award. Book 2: Citizendium Press. Dale L. Hileman. BSJ, Univ of Ill. Tech writer. Unsuccessful. Unpublished. Disliked by many. I'm dalehileman@verizon.net - please send me spam. (Blurb form of http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/User:Dale_L._Hileman ) Book 3: Wikipedia Press. smurfette69. Which book are you most likely to buy?
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oy. you do pose a tough question, M. 
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Regarding my difficulties, including an application for password repeated half-dozen times I had contacted a most patient and helpful Citizendium Administrator, Steve, my latest email to whom follows, while I am hoping perhaps a knowledgeable WS subscriber might further help herewith
Steve: At wits' end I cannot express how embarrassed I am about being unable to log in to Citizendium and regret most acutely the need for continually bothering you like this. I have tried both my preferred password and the new one you recently assigned, both with and without the period after L representing my middle name, but I only get the error message below. As I am very eager to post an article that I believe your readers will find most instructive I do hope you can help me
I have tried all the links "Start here," "Log in," "Start article", etc, and every time I get this same message. Clearly I am still doing something wrong in spite of my credentials as retired electronics engineer, inventor, and writer, with some 17 years experience on the PC and the Web. Perhaps we can do an end run on the algorithm. For instance, suppose you [or a WS participant] register, log in, etc, for me. If you are successful, then, simply provide me a link, hyperlink, or sublink which I can click on and which will instantly get me to the page where I can paste my article. But if you are unsuccessful, then perhaps you can discover much more easily than I, where I have gone wrong
Meantime with your permission I am forwarding this message to several experts in the field; two Information Technicians in the aerospace industry, a couple of retired PC experts, one or two communications specialists in the field of journalism, and two or three engineers familiar with certain aspects of the software industry who may conceivably be able to provide some insight
If it is any help, I have had similar experiences at other sites, and have finally had to concluded that one feature of these sites' software is that they will block any applicant attempting unsuccessfully to log in after a fixed number of successive tries, on the theory that he must be a hacker. Another possibility is that somehow your Log-In algorithm somehow has detected your typographical error and is confused about my middle initial in which case no doubt your programmers may be of some help
.Thank you again for your patience, and best wishes from the Holidays and New Year-Dale HilemanError message cited above:
Your user name or IP address has been blocked.
The block was made by Stephen Ewen. The reason given is seemingly insolvable login problems, will simply recreate account placing a period after middle initial.
* Start of block: 18:23, 20 August 2007
* Expiry of block: infinite
* Intended blockee: Dale L Hileman
You can contact Stephen Ewen or another administrator to discuss the block. You cannot use the 'email this user' feature unless a valid email address is specified in your account preferences and you have not been blocked from using it. Your current IP address is 71.105.173.130, and the block ID is #1120. Please include either or both of these in any queries
Earlier messages:
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Ewen [mailto:ewenste@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 2:28 PM
To: Dale Hileman
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: Re: blocked]]
My error, your username is
Dale L. Hileman
Dale Hileman wrote:
> Steve again thank you for your patience but before I get involved again, my
> middle initial is L not T but let me know if I should use T anyhow-Dale
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Ewen [mailto:ewenste@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 11:50 AM
> To: Dale Hileman
> Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: Re: blocked]]
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> Did you get the new password?
> **********If it is ........, yes
> Login with
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> username: Dale T. Hileman
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> ...and the password the system should have just sent you.
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> Steve
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In hope of shedding further light on my quandary, herewith my last email to a most helpful and patient Administrator, Steve, at Citizendium, in the hope that a knowledgeable WS participant can be of further help
Steve: At wits' end I cannot express how embarrassed I am about being unable to log in to Citizendium and regret most acutely the need for continually bothering you like this. I have tried both my preferred password and the new one you recently assigned (the sixth one I have been assigned and was unsuccessful with), both with and without the period after L representing my middle name, but I only get the error message below. As I am very eager to post an article that I believe your readers will find most instructive I do hope you can help me
I have tried all the links "Start here," "Log in," "Start article", etc, and every time I get this same message. Clearly I am still doing something wrong. Perhaps we can do an end run on the algorithm. For instance, suppose you register, log in, etc, for me. If you are successful, then, simply provide me a link, hyperlink, sublink or susage that I can click on and which will instantly get me to the page where I can paste my article. But if you are unsuccessful, then perhaps you can discover much more easily than I, where I have gone wrong
Meantime with your permission I am forwarding this message to several experts in the field; two Information Technicians in the aerospace industry, a couple of retired PC experts, one or two communications specialists in the field of journalism, my very hip correspondents at WS, and two or three engineers familiar with certain aspects of the software industry who may conceivably be able to provide some insight
If it is any help, notwithstanding my credentials as retired engineer, inventor, and writer, after some 17 years using the PC and the Web, I have had similar experiences at other sites, and have finally had to concluded that one feature of these sites' software is that they will block any applicant attempting unsuccessfully to log in after a fixed number of successive tries, on the theory that he must be a hacker
Another possibility is that your Log-In algorithm somehow has detected your typographical error and is confused about my middle initial in which case no doubt your programmers may be of some help
Thank you again for your patience, and best wishes from the Holidays and New Year-Dale Hileman
Error message:
Your user name or IP address has been blocked.
The block was made by Stephen Ewen. The reason given is seemingly insolvable login problems, will simply recreate account placing a period after middle initial.
* Start of block: 18:23, 20 August 2007
* Expiry of block: infinite
* Intended blockee: Dale L Hileman
You can contact Stephen Ewen or another administrator to discuss the block. You cannot use the 'email this user' feature unless a valid email address is specified in your account preferences and you have not been blocked from using it. Your current IP address is 71.105.173.130, and the block ID is #1120. Please include either or both of these in any queries
Earlier exchanges:
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Ewen [mailto:ewenste@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 2:28 PM
To: Dale Hileman
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: Re: blocked]]
My error, your username is
Dale L. Hileman
Dale Hileman wrote:
> Steve again thank you for your patience but before I get involved again, my
> middle initial is L not T but let me know if I should use T anyhow-Dale
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Ewen [mailto:ewenste@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 11:50 AM
> To: Dale Hileman
> Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: Re: blocked]]
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>
> Did you get the new password?
> **********If it is ........, yes
> Login with
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> username: Dale T. Hileman
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> ...and the password the system should have just sent you.
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> Steve
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yes! posting this gallimaufry twice will surely do the trick!!
-joe (a dumfounded WS participant) friday
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tsu: There is apparently a glitch in WS' algorithm where if two successive posts are identical an attempt to delete one of them deletes both. However, I am not at all averse if Admin deletes one and I hope they are able to do so
Edited to surmise that It's possible that the original post found itself on page 2. But rechecking my post I was on page 1 and therefore re-posted it. Others I am sure have encountered the same apparent glitch
If you should be tempted to deride my competence upon this issue, I invite you to consider that Admin on another site I'm not sure protocol allows me to mention, is at this very moment performing a housekeeping one of the object of which is to allow all posts in a single thread to be displayed as a single page just as done here by clicking on the sausage "all"
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Jackie I'm not sure just how long ago it was as I'm susceptible to a form of mini-stroke which although not affecting my general strength and health degrades my recall and thus I hope you can all forgive me for such temporary lapses
Incidentally another possibility accounting for the repeated post cited by tzu is the inability of the typical site's algorithms to instantly refresh and that therefore the "all" didn't appear on the page I had checked and so I was unaware of the second, repeated, post
I hope that the most censorious participants in this excellent site will forgive me for my many transgressions and accept my most heartfelt wishes for a most happy Holiday Season
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