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I had forgotten what low esteem the Wikipedia is held in by some
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Darned right. I do quite well making a fool of myself all on my own; I don't want to pass along some bit of "information" from there, only to have it shot down by a quote from a real authority.
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My comment was intended to be a self-deprecating concession of the likelihood of my Shavian attribution being in error, not a shot at your Guizot reference.
Ah, mea majore culpa. Some much typing, so little communication. On the bright side, how often does one get to use the lovely adjectival form of Shaw's name? OK. Back to lurking.
Ceci n'est pas un seing.
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[i] On the bright side, how often does one get to use the lovely adjectival form of Shaw's name? It even kinda rhymes with his political/philosophical bent, which he described not as Socialist but as Fabian. A Shavian Fabian was he.
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A Shavian Fabian was he.They're still about, and even have a web site.
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Discuss the roots of the word, or the meaning of the movement?
Yes. 
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I believe Max is just editorializing. On the other hand, these freegans, far from rejecting capitalism, are depending on it. Without the culture that would throw food away because it's more costly to keep it than it is to dispose of it they would starve. I agree. If they really wanted to absent themselves from capitalism, as Weissman states, they shouldn't be all a-twitter at finding a television (see beginning of article). Just because the person is the second owner, it doesn't change the provenance of the item (the place of manufacture) or whether or not the employees were paid reasonable wages. A five-year-old child that is used in slave labour to make a carpet doesn't get any more money because you've picked the carpet up in the garbage. Or am I misunderstanding Weissman's quote?
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So much of what we waste is out of convenience or a desire to only have the latest and coolest. At least the freegans/dumpster divers/moochers are helping to cut down on waste and unnecessary use of raw materials by reusing perfectly good working products. It seems like consumerism has gone beyond the need to have and is now an addiction to getting, to actually purchasing.
Although I must say, food from dumpsters is pushing it.
I wonder whether they do good and wise and eco-friendly things with the money they save or if they are saving up to buy hummers and leaf blowers.
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...I wonder whether they do good and wise and eco-friendly things with the money they save or if they are saving up to buy hummers and leaf blowers.
I think that if they are eating food from dumpsters, they are most likely street people.
It is amazing how much disdain a street person can have for society and feel haughty about their choice to live on the street.
I saw a documentary about street people in Portland, Oregon, and was amazed to hear how many of them said they chose to live that way because they did not want to be sheep and live in a 9 to 5 working-class world.
They were free, they said, to do as they chose. The choice being begging on street corners from 9 to 5, but hey, a self-justification is a self-justification.
The most surprising was that they felt entitled to hand-outs; feeling that the people that did not give them money were bad people.
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