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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Chelicerae or pedipalps? #162349 10/08/2006 4:57 AM Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 631 Hydra addict Hydra addict Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 631 These words seem to have identical definitions, but the dictionary doesn't have the usual another word for ... to corroborate this. Can anyone clarify? Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Chelicerae or pedipalps? #162350 10/08/2006 10:50 AM Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh They're not the same thing. Pedipalps are more fanglike and chelicerae are more leglike. One set is for biting and the other for feeling. Ceci n'est pas un seing. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Chelicerae or pedipalps? #162351 10/08/2006 11:12 AM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 So, tell me, o polycephalic one. Were you just browsing through the dictionary and, upon discovering pedipalps, you said to yourself, "Self?! That looks just like the definition for chelicerae!!"? Is that what happened? Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Chelicerae or pedipalps? #162352 10/08/2006 12:33 PM Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 631 Hydra addict Hydra addict Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 631 Basically, Faldage, yes. Only it wasn't the dictionary I was browsing but a website about scorpians. Thanks for the clarification, Z; however, my infernal dictionary tells me that "chelicerae" are "usually modified as pincerlike claws" adding: "See chela". I see "chela", and am told, in turn, that chelae are "pincerlike claws". So what, chelicerae are usually claws but chelae are always claws... and pedipalps ("variously specialized as pincers in scorpions, sensory organs in spiders, and locomotory organs in horseshoe crabs") are all of the above but also mostly fang-like? Last edited by Hydra; 10/08/2006 12:34 PM. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Chelicerae or pedipalps? #162353 10/08/2006 1:08 PM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York Which is your dictionary, Hydra?? Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Chelicerae or pedipalps? #162354 10/08/2006 3:10 PM Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 631 Hydra addict Hydra addict Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 631 Oxford Dictionary of English © 2003 Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: dictionaries #162355 10/08/2006 5:06 PM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York Hydra, get you an AHD4 Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Chelicerae or pedipalps? #162356 10/08/2006 5:44 PM Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh More information from my friend Dean who studied entomology at Cal while I was studying etymology: "Position is the key. Since all arachnids are thought to have come form an organism that had six pairs of appendages, they are viewed to have developed their appendages from that same proto-arachnid. The chelicerae are fangs in spiders but in scorpions, solpugids, and psuedoscorpions they are the mouth parts that macerate the prey. The pedipalps in solpugids and spiders are leg-like sensory organs that test or taste the substrate. Adult, male spiders have the pedipalps modified into a syringe-like intromitant organ. In scorpions and psuedoscorpions the pedipalps are claws. The best way to figure out which is which in a given arachnid is to count the pairs of legs from the posterior. There are four pairs of real legs in almost all arachnids. Then the first pair of appendages anterior to the legs is the pedipalps followed by the chelicerae which are closest to the oral cavity." [Corrected typo.] Last edited by zmjezhd; 10/08/2006 6:23 PM. Ceci n'est pas un seing. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Chelicerae or pedipalps? #162357 10/08/2006 6:19 PM Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 631 Hydra addict Hydra addict Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 631 Great! Thank you for the interesting information zmjezhd. That completely nails my question! Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Chelicerae or pedipalps? #162358 10/09/2006 5:44 PM Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont Quote: scorpians. from Scorpio? (puts claws away...) formerly known as etaoin... Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: demonyms #162359 10/09/2006 11:21 PM Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh from Scorpio? Scorpionans? Scorpiones? Scorpians would be the folks from Scorpe. Ceci n'est pas un seing. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: demonyms #162360 10/10/2006 2:12 AM Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont heh. I sit corrected. formerly known as etaoin... Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------  Information and announcements  Q&A about words  Wordplay and fun  Words and languages in schools  Miscellany  Weekly Themes  Looking for (writers, speakers,... (Old) Weekly themes. 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