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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Today's (9/27) wwftd #162207 09/27/2006 12:04 PM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York the worthless word for the day is: suzerainty [F. suzeraineté] /SU zeh ren tee/ the dominion of a suzerain: overlordship I love this word, tsuwm -- could you please parse its etymology? http://home.mn.rr.com/wwftd/ Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Share Post on Reddit Re: Today's (9/27) wwftd #162208 09/27/2006 1:35 PM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass tsuwm Carpal Tunnel tsuwm Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass OED merely comments: Appears first in Fr. or semi-Fr. form.; suggesting it appeared out of thin air. W3, more helpfully, suggests it is related to sovereign. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Share Post on Reddit Re: Today's (9/27) wwftd #162209 09/27/2006 2:38 PM Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh A-H gives a goodly etymology of suzerain. Ceci n'est pas un seing. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Share Post on Reddit Re: Today's (9/27) wwftd #162210 09/27/2006 6:48 PM Joined: May 2005 Posts: 456 SE US Aramis addict Aramis addict Joined: May 2005 Posts: 456 SE US So, it is like Syria then? Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Share Post on Reddit Re: Today's (9/27) wwftd #162211 09/29/2006 1:44 AM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Louisville, Kentucky Jackie Carpal Tunnel Jackie Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Louisville, Kentucky Interesting. It made me think of 'substitute' with 'reign'. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Share Post on Reddit Re: Today's (9/27) wwftd #162212 09/29/2006 8:11 AM Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 Netherlands, the Hague BranShea Carpal Tunnel BranShea Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 Netherlands, the Hague Another scource gives: the word appeared first in English litterature, somewhere before 1010. I think the Emperor Charles V could be called a Suzerain. He was overlord, Emperor of a good number of 'domains':Spain,Austria, Germany, the Netherlands,meaning Holland and Belgium at that time.Maybe even some city states in Italy? It was him and his son Philip II 'we' fought in the 80-years'war and got them out. The word has a French ring to it :souverain. Could it have to do with soumettre ?- to subject to, or with sauver- save. Offering protection in exchange for fealty? Yes,I've always like that word too,suzerain, it makes me think of raspberry flavored candy.A sour-sweet word. (could it be applied to any present ruler really?)(not the candy!) Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Share Post on Reddit Re: Today's (9/27) wwftd #162213 09/29/2006 11:07 AM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York Quote: A-H gives a goodly etymology of suzerain. Thanks. I should have checked. So it's cognate with sovereign. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Share Post on Reddit Re: Today's (9/27) wwftd #162214 09/29/2006 12:27 PM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass tsuwm Carpal Tunnel tsuwm Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass Quote: Quote: A-H gives a goodly etymology of suzerain. Thanks. I should have checked. So it's cognate with sovereign. "probably" Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Share Post on Reddit Re: Today's (9/27) wwftd #162215 10/01/2006 1:01 AM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Louisville, Kentucky Jackie Carpal Tunnel Jackie Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Louisville, Kentucky Gah--I really can't keep a thought in my head! I was thinking sous, French for under, not substitute! [smacking forehead e] Sub-(under)-reign. Geez. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Share Post on Reddit Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------  Information and announcements  Q&A about words  Wordplay and fun  Words and languages in schools  Miscellany  Weekly Themes  Looking for (writers, speakers,... (Old) Weekly themes. 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