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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Today's (9/27) wwftd #162207 09/27/06 12:04 PM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York AnnaStrophic OP Carpal Tunnel OP AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York the worthless word for the day is: suzerainty [F. suzeraineté] /SU zeh ren tee/ the dominion of a suzerain: overlordship I love this word, tsuwm -- could you please parse its etymology? http://home.mn.rr.com/wwftd/ Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Today's (9/27) wwftd #162208 09/27/06 01:35 PM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass tsuwm Carpal Tunnel tsuwm Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass OED merely comments: Appears first in Fr. or semi-Fr. form.; suggesting it appeared out of thin air. W3, more helpfully, suggests it is related to sovereign. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Today's (9/27) wwftd #162209 09/27/06 02:38 PM Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh A-H gives a goodly etymology of suzerain. Ceci n'est pas un seing. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Today's (9/27) wwftd #162210 09/27/06 06:48 PM Joined: May 2005 Posts: 456 SE US Aramis addict Aramis addict Joined: May 2005 Posts: 456 SE US So, it is like Syria then? Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Today's (9/27) wwftd #162211 09/29/06 01:44 AM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Louisville, Kentucky Jackie Carpal Tunnel Jackie Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Louisville, Kentucky Interesting. It made me think of 'substitute' with 'reign'. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Today's (9/27) wwftd #162212 09/29/06 08:11 AM Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 Netherlands, the Hague BranShea Carpal Tunnel BranShea Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 Netherlands, the Hague Another scource gives: the word appeared first in English litterature, somewhere before 1010. I think the Emperor Charles V could be called a Suzerain. He was overlord, Emperor of a good number of 'domains':Spain,Austria, Germany, the Netherlands,meaning Holland and Belgium at that time.Maybe even some city states in Italy? It was him and his son Philip II 'we' fought in the 80-years'war and got them out. The word has a French ring to it :souverain. Could it have to do with soumettre ?- to subject to, or with sauver- save. Offering protection in exchange for fealty? Yes,I've always like that word too,suzerain, it makes me think of raspberry flavored candy.A sour-sweet word. (could it be applied to any present ruler really?)(not the candy!) Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Today's (9/27) wwftd #162213 09/29/06 11:07 AM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York AnnaStrophic OP Carpal Tunnel OP AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York Quote: A-H gives a goodly etymology of suzerain. Thanks. I should have checked. So it's cognate with sovereign. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Today's (9/27) wwftd #162214 09/29/06 12:27 PM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass tsuwm Carpal Tunnel tsuwm Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass Quote: Quote: A-H gives a goodly etymology of suzerain. Thanks. I should have checked. So it's cognate with sovereign. "probably" Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Today's (9/27) wwftd #162215 10/01/06 01:01 AM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Louisville, Kentucky Jackie Carpal Tunnel Jackie Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Louisville, Kentucky Gah--I really can't keep a thought in my head! I was thinking sous, French for under, not substitute! [smacking forehead e] Sub-(under)-reign. Geez. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------  Information and announcements  Q&A about words  Wordplay and fun  Words and languages in schools  Miscellany  Weekly Themes  Looking for (writers, speakers,... (Old) Weekly themes. 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