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#161542 08/15/06 06:50 PM
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giant rap star

how big do they have to be to qualify as giant?

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or rap stars in giant pants even

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My exiguous, tiny little question: if there are any english verbes that are used both in an active as well as in a passive way still hangs out there . My hope was in experts or other fanatics.

This week's quotes seem to be every day in association with the justice and wisdom of power. At the not so positve actual state of these matters.

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My exiguous, tiny little question: if there are any english verbes that are used both in an active as well as in a passive way still hangs out there . My hope was in experts or other fanatics.





There are so many I can't begin to count.

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So, Anna--are you an expert or a fanatic?

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I think he was asking after English verbs that are active in form, but passive in meaning. Latin has a whole slew of verbs that are passive in form but active in meaning. They are called deponent verbs: cf. amo 'I love' vs amor 'I am loved' with loquor 'I speak'. I'm not sure the first Dutch sentence is passive in meaning, but I'll take his word for it.


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There are so many I can't begin to count.

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Ah! Dear Annie, it's not the same thing , it isn't the same.
For the passive form english needs an extra word!

To give - to be given , or give - was given. I know that system.

Maybe, there is a chance that I am mistaken, but I would need a dutch
exp. or fan. for that.
It's a little confusing.Let me see.
There is a saying:
Hollow barrels - sound - the loudest. (not a real english construction , but I try to keep the sentences as close as possible to eachother.)
Holle vaten - klinken - het hardst.

Here klinken is used in an active way.
I think I was wrong. The two klinkens are both active. They just have a different meaning.

It's the listener that is passive, but something/one always produces the sound. And the sound - klinken is an immaterial thing, while the toasting is material as long as the glasses hold.

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Latin has a whole slew of verbs that are passive in form but active in meaning. They are called deponent verbs: cf. amo 'I love' vs amor 'I am loved' with loquor 'I speak'. I'm not sure the first Dutch sentence is passive in meaning, but I'll take his word for it.




You took my word for it but I take it back, shame on me , I was wrong!In the first sentence in the first post it was not a passive form. The difference lies in the meaning of the word klinken itself. It's just a simple subject-verb-adverb sentence. Active.
I have more trust in your latin. And it's a she, not a he.

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What about 'said', as in, "It was often said that he said it aloud"?


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What about 'said', as in, "It was often said that he said it aloud"?

No, was said is the passive formation in English.


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