#15865
01/18/2001 10:51 PM
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I know that it is a national dish ... (can I bear to ask)
I was wondering is Vegemite the same/similar to/ fundamentaly different from ... Marmite
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#15866
01/18/2001 10:57 PM
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Both Vegemite and Marmite and yeast extracts, both have distinctive flavours, with their attendant followers - I'm in the Vegemite camp myself.
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#15867
01/18/2001 11:13 PM
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What about sarnie and butty? They're English slang, as I understand it, and I always thought they meant sandwich. Am I much mistaken?
And I'm not even going to start a discussion about the difference between American and English pie (although one fears I may have done just that).
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#15868
01/18/2001 11:52 PM
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Re Pasties
The town of Burra Burra in South Australia was put on the map in the late 1800's (can't say last century any more!!) by its large copper deposit - mined until the 1970's. (O/S Wordies may recall the film "Breaker Morant"? - it was filmed there - remember the beautiful metal gazebo/bandstand in the park?)
As was the case in most Australian mines of the day, most of the miners were of Cornish stock, many of whom had made the trek from Broken Hill in NSW by foot (no mean feat, hundreds of miles across some pretty harsh & dry country).
Anyway, the miners' lunches consisted of what we would refer to as pasties, they however called them "Tiddy Oddies" - ie small odds & ends/leftovers (wrapped in pastry).
Don't know if it's still there, but in 1982 this was the name of the local cafe/diner.
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#15869
01/19/2001 12:08 AM
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We're not that clever in Australia (there's no need to add any comments Cap K!!) when it comes to naming food - have even given a Russian name to perhaps our most famous dish - Pavlova.
Our tendency is, wherever possible in the spoken word, to take as many shortcuts as possible, or round off a word with a superfluous syllable.
Thus, "sandwiches" are referred to throughout the land as "sarnies" and/or "sangers". The latter seems to have changed meaning over the past 25 years, back then it referred primarily to a sausage - especially those put on the barbie. To show how flexible we are, BBQ'd sausages wrapped in bread are known as "sanger sarnies". Easy!!
PS The Subway chain is doing its best to edjamacate us into using "sub", but it'll be a long time before a cylindrical sarnie is known as anything other than a "roll" in Oz.
PPS "Hoagie"???? Where the hell did that come from (or didn't I read all the post?)
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#15870
01/19/2001 12:17 AM
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I've always assumed the fluffy, overflowing concoction created by combining "flavoured aerated water" (fizzy drink, soda pop - call it what you will) and a scoop of ice cream was globally known as a "Spider".
Is this the case?
(Compulsory order at the legendary Paragon Milk Bar in Katoomba, New South Wales (BTW, milk bar = cafe in NSW) is a pie floater, chips and a lime spider. Hmmm, is this why my cholesterol is 6.9?)
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#15871
01/19/2001 12:24 AM
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Max - I thought Marmite was a beef extract? Vegemite is a yeast extract - urban mythology has it as a product of the spent yeast from the breweries.
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#15872
01/19/2001 12:24 AM
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Stales stirred up turbulent waters by declaring in Australia - have even given a Russian name to perhaps our most famous dish - Pavlova.Now, them's fighting words!! I know hundreds of Kiwis who would happily form death squads to avenge any attempt by an Ocker to claim Pavlova as Australian, when all sentient hominids know that it was invented in NZ  
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#15873
01/19/2001 12:26 AM
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And does anyone remember Maypo? Remember the little kid in the cartoon commercial? His famous line was "Horses get fed first".
And Marshmallow Fluff which my bro would put on a piece of bread with peanut butter. Ah...the 50s! The good old days! NOT!
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01/19/2001 12:57 AM
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#15875
01/19/2001 1:05 AM
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Tried vegemite .... gleeech.
What's wrong with vegemite??? (spoken by a true blue Aussie)
Rapport was established superficially.
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01/19/2001 1:10 AM
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I've always assumed the fluffy, overflowing concoction created by combining "flavoured aerated water" (fizzy drink, soda pop - call it what you will) and a scoop of ice cream was globally known as a "Spider".
I have to agree with you on that one. Maybe it's just another of our Australianisms.
Rapport was established superficially.
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#15877
01/19/2001 1:14 AM
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...in Australia - have even given a Russian name to perhaps our most famous dish - Pavlova.
Now, them's fighting words!! I know hundreds of Kiwis who would happily form death squads to avenge any attempt by an Ocker to claim Pavlova as Australian, when all sentient hominids know that it was invented in NZ.
What about other famous Australian icons like Pharlap, Crowded House and Split Enz? Oh, and how could I forget Russel Crowe?
Rapport was established superficially.
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01/19/2001 2:11 AM
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All right, shame on all of you. Here I am, away for all of one week and we have people adding stuff to beer. Blasphemy I say. Where’s Shona when the sanctity of beer needs to be protected, harrumph.  . Marmite in Quebec doesn’t refer to a food but a big ole stew pot. One of those heavy, cast iron or stainless steel ones with a heavy lid. Oh Jo, I am so glad you posted the url to tell of the other meaning for pasties. I nearly choked on my coffee when the guys were talking about edible pasties. You could get arrested for that here  . And a bit of a mix of posts from this thread….apple pie à la mode = a hot piece of apple pie with a scoop of ice cream on top. HEAVENLY!!! Real ice cream though – none of that soft stuff - I don’t even think that stuff is a dairy product AT ALL. Well I’m off again. It’s nice to see so many new members. I’m looking forward to meeting you all. Everything should fall into place next week so I will be able to come back.
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#15879
01/19/2001 3:20 AM
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Max declared, stoutly for such a little fella: when all sentient hominids know that it was invented in NZ
sentient ... hominid ... Australia ... Hmmm.
The idiot also known as Capfka ...
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#15880
01/19/2001 3:25 AM
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stales wails: Vegemite is a yeast extract - urban mythology has it as a product of the spent yeast from the breweriesFor once, urban mythology isn't so wrong. I listened to a radio programme years ago which spent an absorbing 30 minutes discussing the origins of Vegemite (yum). It was apparently the result of an effort to find something constructive to do with the left-over yeasts from the brewing industry. Don't remember any claims being made that it is actually made from them now, though. And I'm not sure which side of the brewing process I prefer!
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#15881
01/19/2001 3:29 AM
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Oh, and how could I forget Russel Crowe?
Easily, as it happens. He thinks of himself as an Australian, so there's no hope for him! No, seriously, he does. So therefore, ipso facto, he is!
And, thinking about it, weren't two of the three members of Crowded House Australian? Could have that one wrong, just thought I'd read it somewhere. Given that Neil Finn isn't, it shouldn't be hard to guess which ones are ...
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#15882
01/19/2001 8:00 AM
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>Marmite in Quebec doesn’t refer to a food but a big ole stew pot. One of those heavy, cast iron or stainless steel ones with a heavy lid.
>The same thing (eg Le Creuset) is sold here as a Marmitout.
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#15883
01/19/2001 8:20 AM
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>Regarding fizzy drinks, there is, in NY and northwards, the egg cream, which contains neither egg nor cream, but is basically selzer or carbonated water and chocolate syrup.
I'm surprised about the chocolate.
I would have expected it to be like a Snowball - the Dutch drink Advocat (yellow semi solid stuff) and lemonade. You can add vodka but that would make it more sophisticated and my ancient aunts who used to drink it at Christmas were purists.
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#15884
01/19/2001 8:30 AM
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>until I realized that "soft ice cream" meant soft serve
There used to be two ice cream vans which came down our road at weekends and during the holidays. One was solid, very white ice-cream made by a local company with Italian origins. It was lovely and in my teenage years was made all the better by the young Italian who served the ice cream with a wide smile.
The other company sold the nasty manufactured soft stuff which came out of a machine. We said it tasted like Brylcreme and was served by an "old git". I wonder how many areas they could drive through these days whilst sticking to the original name - Mr Whippy!
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#15885
01/19/2001 1:21 PM
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When I was 16 (and dinosaurs still roamed the earth), I worked as a "soda jerk" at a drugstore in Miami. Homesick New Yorkers used to come in, all desolate and forlorn, and sigh that a chocolate egg cream would restore them to life, but of course that I (being an ignorant Southerner & NOT from "The City"), wouldn't know how. Being 16 and a smart-alec, I would say snidely, "Bet I can," then I'd throw together chocolate syrup, soda water & milk & they would be pathetically grateful. All that rude "I'm from The City" nonsense would go away and they'd turn into ordinary people. Isn't it funny what a little home cooking will do for you in a strange place?
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#15886
01/19/2001 3:18 PM
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In reply to:
hoagie
I certainly don't know where the word came from, but it's one of several words used for the same thing, and they are geographically specific. Sub, short for submarine, is used south of the Mason-Dixon Line; hoagie is used in most of Pennsylvania, Delaware, NJ -- the area centered around Philadelphia, where it seems to have started; in New York, it's generally hero; and in New England, grinder. Go figure. I don't have personal knowledge, but I believe that sub is used west of Pennsylvania.
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#15887
01/19/2001 3:50 PM
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In one of my incarnations I was a very busy reporter, covering Board of Selectmen, planing and zoning boards, three scool district, the copshop, the fire department and fires, unions, the DPW, budget committee, precinct, town, state and national (NH Primary) elections, town meetings, public hearings, whatever scandals cropped up, doing features and keeping up with the goings on at the Nuclear power plant -- whew! -- time was often of the essence ... SOOOoooo here's a local dish that was home-made-take-along. Scramble hamburg, cover with cheddar cheese until it melts, then mix it all up and put it in a half of Pita bread. (aka Syrian bread)
For any busy person that was a real tasty protein boost and it could be thrown together in 10 minutes! Quicker than a run through McDonalds.
Anyone else with home-made-fast-food hints?
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#15888
01/19/2001 3:53 PM
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I don't think so. The closest US'ns'd get to food with a spider is fry it in one. It's a frying pan, maybe with little legs for use over an open fire, but I'm not sure about that. YCLIU.
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#15889
01/19/2001 6:35 PM
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All you need is a tortilla, a can of chili, and some cheese. Put a bit of chili (turkey chili is my favorite) in the middle of the tortilla, sprinkle some shredded cheddar on top, broil it for a couple of minutes, and you've got some truly tasty single-person food. A little spoonful of salsa if you're feeling really saucy ~ homemade fast food indeed!
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#15890
01/19/2001 7:19 PM
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Once knew a lady from Iowa who introduced me to boiled ground beef. She said it was the feature at a local diner there. You simply chop up the already ground beef and dump it into a pan of boiling water until cooked, then spread on a sandwich with whatever topping you like. My mother used to take ground beef with minced onion, spread it on a piece of white bread. She would then place it under the broiler until it sizzled. Have never heard of anyone else making the above two dishes anywhere, ever. And about subs...here in northern PA they are called subs. They never heard the word "hoagie" up here at all. And if I said "grinder" they'd probably think I was referring to Minnie Pearl's Grinder's Switch!
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#15891
01/20/2001 1:27 AM
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Re: hoagie. It's a Philadelphia-ism. Seems the Italians who worked on Hog Island were called hoggies. Their favored lunch? A loaf of italian bread, sliced meats, lettuce, tomato... the sandwich got to be known as a hoggie, or hoagie.
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#15892
01/20/2001 2:55 AM
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My husband (from Hawaii) eats rice topped with a hamburger pattie (perferably with all the grease) and then eggs, for breakfast. It's called loco moco. I think I'd prefer apple pie.
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#15893
01/20/2001 5:49 PM
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RE Ladymoon's hamburger pattie and then eggs, for breakfast. It's called loco moco
My Swedish boss introduced me to a similar Swedish dish : Hamburg pattie topped with fried egg then heavy cream poured into pan to make a sort of gravy-sauce which is poured on the hamburg-egg combo. Heart attack on a plate.
BTTT (BACK TO THE THREAD) -- I do not recall that saying -- Heart attack on a plate -- before we became cholesterol conscious! Does anyone?
And how did a breakfast of eggs, bacon, sausage, in Ireland, get to be called a "fry up?"
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#15894
01/20/2001 7:40 PM
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>And how did a breakfast of eggs, bacon, sausage, in Ireland, get to be called a "fry up?"
Because it's fried?????
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#15895
01/21/2001 2:33 PM
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And how did a breakfast of eggs, bacon, sausage, in Ireland, get to be called a "fry up?"
Because it's fried????? Oh, sure, go for the easy answer. wow
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#15896
01/21/2001 5:40 PM
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>My husband (from Hawaii) eats rice topped with a hamburger >pattie (perferably with all the grease) and then eggs, for >breakfast. It's called loco moco. I think I'd prefer apple >pie.
The loco moco actually sounds better than the PA Dutch breakfast item known as "scrapple." Name gives a clue as to what this is: scraps from the butchering process combined to form a highly seasoned meat loaf-ish food. Slices are fried and served with syrup. One taste was definitely enough. Put me in the apple pie group.
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#15897
01/21/2001 8:10 PM
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Hey! I happen to like scrapple... but then, I was raised on it. I can see how it would turn off someone who isn't used to it. Did you ever have AP cake, or souse, or chow-chow? Some more PA Dutch staples.
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#15898
01/22/2001 12:31 AM
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Let's not forget Dragon, Mental as Anything, Olivia Newton-John, John Farnham (I think), Jimmy Barnes, Marcia Hines (at least daughter Demi was born here!), Jelena Dokic, Andrew Ilie, Mel Gibson....give me another minute or two and I'll think of more nae doot.
Guess there's always Hoges, Rolf Harris, um, the Waugh twins, Warnie, Gillie (etc), um....um...
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#15899
01/22/2001 4:24 PM
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boiled hamburger
My mother in law made a dish, which my wife copied, consisting of hamburger browned very thoroughly with onion, then water added to the skillet to make a gravy, flavored with salt & pepper only, served over mashed potatoes. My kids loved it; so much so that one of them would choose it for his birthday dinner. My mother in law didn't have any special name for it; I have the honor to have christened it "slumgullion", by which name it is still known in our family. That's not a made-up word; it already existed, I was the one who applied it to this cheap & fast supper for kids.
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01/22/2001 4:30 PM
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Scrapple
Being Pennsylvania Dutch, I know more about scrapple than I would like to. My father, explaining scrapple once to a stranger, noted that it's composed mainly of "eyes, ears, elbows, a***holes, and whatever else is left over after butchering". This is maybe a bit exaggerated, but not much. All the leftover scraps of a hog are mixed with cornmeal mush and boiled together, then molded into large bricks. You slice it and fry it. I myself do not eat scrapple because I can't stand the smell of it.
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01/22/2001 5:56 PM
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There is no defense of scrapple! But if you want something worse, consider head cheese. UGH!
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01/22/2001 6:45 PM
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In reply to:
My mother in law made a dish, which my wife copied, consisting of hamburger browned very thoroughly with onion, then water added to the skillet to make a gravy, flavored with salt & pepper only, served over mashed potatoes.
This is a classic Irish dish--and just called boiled beef-- One cousin made it all the time for kids, when hubby was working late-- he hated the name of it-- but when he finally got arround to tasting-- he was surprized-- Not bad
He was italian, cousin, like me irish. He didn't think any irish food was good-- and the name "boiled beef" didn't help.
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01/22/2001 7:04 PM
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To keep everything in some kind of perspective here:
I had some haggis Saturday night. Wasn't half bad (or half good, if you're English, well maybe it was half good if you're English or maybe if you're English you couldn't have even handled it at all. Maybe it's genetic.)
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01/22/2001 8:24 PM
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In the US Southeast, we refer to the ground beef/onion mix as "Sloppy Joe." Sometimes tomato sauce is added. You can have it as a sandwich (gotta keep a fork handy, though) or over mashed potatoes.
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Fizzies: the generic term is "soft drink," although here in Atlanta it's Coke, of course. I actually overheard a waiter ask a diner what kind of Coke she wanted (I assumed diet or regular). She said: a Pepsi.
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Faldage, was it a Burns Night dinner? Did they pipe in the haggis -- poor little uneven-legged creature? I go with your genetic theory, and hereby join the Apple Pie Gang.
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