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"PIN" came down on them like a sudden mystery with cash in her panties.
ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha *breathe* ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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Why did you feel the need to use the plural form of the noun when the plural is adequately indicated by the fact that you have used the number three to modify it? Do you think we need it to understand that it was used more than one time?
Well... decided to go with standard correct diction rather than another dialect like Pidgin. No sale. Maybe this will sound better: "Me no likee you argument. You try findee dictionary chop chop!" 
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Redundancy is just babbling in this case. If there is a point, I do not see it; just sounds like more of trying to justify wrong things with other wrong things, even fake ones. Starting to look like a recurring theme. 
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Hey, Aramis, you made me laugh with your pidgeon English.
Now, may I ask you why you think it is right and proper for you to use another member's avatar? Or perhaps you don't, but that don't stop you. Myself, I think you should scour the web, or your own camera, and come up with one of your own. But that's just me.
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I agree. Aramis, you're too mature for that kind of thing.
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Problem is that once you upload your avatar it becomes part of the stock avatar pool with no indication of any sort that it is considered proprietary by the uploader or even, as is mine, copyrighted by the uploader. As far as I know there is no way for any of us with proprietary or copyrighted avatars to so indicate or to place them in an otherwise unavailable pool or to remove them from the stock pool once put there.
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Why make excuses for him, Faldo? He deliberately linked to my avatar knowing perfectly well what he was doing. Unless he's really dumb as well as being a thief.
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Well, no. He went to the avatar pool and selected one. Whether or not he knew that it was in use I couldn't say. Now, however, he knows and should quit using it, I agree. And it looks like he has, so give him a break.
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Ooooh, so the new avatars that we bring in here could be picked by anyone else? I didn't know that they became available to everyone. The one I have is not mine, of course, but I use it because it looks like me. So I'd feel strange if someone else used it, though I suppose if they did there wouldn't be much I could do about it. Just like I picked it up off the Web, I couldn't (and wouldn't) prevent other people from doing the same. 
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My avatar is my own picture and I would be very angry if someone else used it. CK put up another avatar on May 8, one of his own design, and Aramis11 co-opted it immediately. That is not a mistake, that is willfullness. Is it any wonder CK is angry?
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The avatars serve not only for self-identification, but for identification of self to others. It is confusing when someone uses an avatar associated with someone else.
As might be expected, Cap picked a good one; so it is unremarkable that Aramis11 adopt it. But when it was suggested that this was poor etiquette, he stubbornly refused to stop. Understanding, probably, that Cap's replacement Avatar was aimed at him, in another burst of poor form he, his rebuttal consisted of taking that one, also. That is twice rude, and once 'theft.'
While all this may evidence a hitherto unsuspected sense of humor lurking beneath Aramis11's generally unfriendly tone, it amounts to poor etiquette. And while an apology might have been proper and put an end to the controversy, he does seem to have backed off of Cap's Avatars. So I guess once everyone's had their say it would be best to let it go.
Best case scenario remains an apology from Aramis11, which would probably put an end to all this. Here's hoping.
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Problem is that once you upload your avatar it becomes part of the stock avatar pool with no indication of any sort that it is considered proprietary by the uploader or even, as is mine, copyrighted by the uploader. As far as I know there is no way for any of us with proprietary or copyrighted avatars to so indicate or to place them in an otherwise unavailable pool or to remove them from the stock pool once put there.
That is exactly the case. When signing into this bulletin board, Aramis merely selected from the set that was offered, unaware it could provoke attacks from other posters.
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CK put up another avatar on May 8, one of his own design, and Aramis11 co-opted it immediately. That is not a mistake, that is willfullness.
He deliberately linked to my avatar knowing perfectly well what he was doing. Unless he's really dumb as well as being a thief.
Never seen so many false accusations based on assumptions! Seems like trying to divine motivations as if psychic is what is really dumb. Apology for what? Using the site as it was designed without knowing any of these proprietary claims? All Aramis did was select from a set offered and only ever did so once. And they have apparently all been deleted. Is 'sheesh' a real word? 
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Why is Aramis speaking of himself in the third person? I have no hidden agenda and am not entering into the avator discussion. Just curious.
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All Aramis did was select from a set offered and only ever did so once.
Aramis, please. I saw Capital Kiwi's avatar in your replies on May 8th. Obviously you selected twice, once in February when you first posted and again on May 8th of this year, not even twelve hours after CK changed it. That willful deed is what you must apologize for.
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The pictures for Avatars are not copied over and over again, but merely refered to in the page by URL. Changing that file will change the avatar of any member who chose that image from the common pool.
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OK! Zmjezhd has found what happened, but I'd like to offer my services as a professional tech writer to explain for everyone to understand. When Capital Kiwi entered his first avatar, a picture of a kiwi in black and white, that image entered a data base with an association to his member number here. I just went and looked and that number is 1622. When Aramis11 saw it in the stock list he liked it so he used it.
Then, when Capital Kiwi changed to the one he currently uses, his upload deleted the first kiwi picture and changed it to the current picture (the one with almost irrefutable evidence of NZers' complete ineptitude with guns). Sorry, Cap, I had to throw that in. Here in NC when we shoot a sign we get body hits every time; after all the sign ain't movin'. And that automatically changed Aramis's avatar, so to the casual observer it looked as though he had stolen it.
I don't think that's what happened. I think it was a comedy of errors. If you go above to almost any of the avatars and right click on the picture you will see a properties pulldown. Capital Kiwi's now refers to his picture on another web site, so it does not show up in the stock pictures. But I am willing to bet a nickel that at the time this controversy started the new avatar was on the stock avatar listing here.
I agree there is an apology due. The apology appears to be due to Aramis11, not the other way around.
I have said this before and I will say it again. When there is something that you don't like, something that upsets you, something that pisses you off, TAKE IT PRIVATE!!!
There have been a whole bunch of hurt feelings here that could have been avoided by taking it private. I repeat. TAKE IT PRIVATE!!!
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Many thanks to both of you for clearing up this mystery. Aramis, please accept my most humble apologies.
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Well, if it was the Board software that did it - and I suppose it might have been - I'll certainly apologise unconditionally to Aramis for calling him a thief. The original kiwi picture was one I picked up on the web anyway and is more or less in the public domain, which is why I just moved on and built my own avatar after my original post on the subject.
However, TEd's lucid post still doesn't explain how, for twelve hours or so after I put up my new avatar, Aramis was still showing the original kiwi picture. Then his user name (however it happened) was linked to my new one. If it had happened immediately I might have smelled a software rat. As it was, though, what else was I to think?
I've just looked through the avatar collection and I agree that the kiwi isn't there, but I didn't delete it. I can't. I don't have the privileges to do so. Perhaps Jackie did it by accident. And I know that simply linking to a new avatar doesn't delete the old one, because I linked to the Easter Island statue for a day or so once, and it's still there.
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I think it's more that zmjezhd's explanation of what happened just isn't correct.
The url to an avatar is associated with your profile and must be stored as a datum on the database against the individual profile.
It doesn't matter which of the stock avatars you link to, you can link and unlink to an avatar and not affect anyone else. However Aramis' profile picked up my new avatar, it wasn't because of anything I did such as changing MY link.
And as I said in the post above, unlinking from an avatar doesn't delete them and the original kiwi is most certainly gone.
I can accept that Aramis may have not intentionally grabbed my new avatar, but I need a better explanation of what happened than zmjezhd's...
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Cap, the experiment is underway. Please see the Apologies to Aramis thread. This thread is now in the over 99 post territory, so can we continue in the other thread?
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I think it's more that zmjezhd's explanation of what happened just isn't correct.
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. When a member chooses an image in the profile settings, s/he has two choices: (a) upload the file so that it is stored on the wordsmith.org host, or (b) provide a URL of the file so that it is stored on some other host. Examining where the avatar image is stored took me to a domain called bacchus-marsh.com ... This leads me to believe that anyone who chooses this picture will not only be stealing it, but bandwidth from whomever owns or rents the domain.
(In Firefox or Mozilla, one can test this out (until it is changed) by right-clicking on the picture next to Capital_Kiwi and choosing View Image in the contextual menu. Then note the URL that was loaded in the locator text field under the menu bar.)
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No, Capital Kiwi has changed where he had the avatar stored from the awad repository to his own. What you are seeing now is what reality is today. What you cannot see is the fact that Cap had the second avatar stored here, but he went in and moved it.
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No, Capital Kiwi has changed where he had the avatar stored from the awad repository to his own. What you are seeing now is what reality is today. What you cannot see is the fact that Cap had the second avatar stored here, but he went in and moved it. If you look at an avatar, stored on the board: say, the Padre's. It has a URL of http://wordsmith.org/board/images/avatars/1349.jpg ... It just so happens that his membership / user number is 1349. Anybody who chooses his Paul Scofield photo is just pointing at the same file, and if he changes the picture file, it is stored in the same place, instantly changing for anybody else who may have used it. [Addendum: Look at an avatar of AnnaStrophic, who has changed her avatar a couple of times. Her woodpecker icon is stored under her user id: 176.]
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Well, not quite.
I did upload my new avatar, but when I saw that it was also showing against Aramis' profile I asked Jackie to delete it because I couldn't (which is why I know that users can't delete avatars).
Jackie obliged, and I now link to it on my website (Bacchus Marsh). Certainly when both Aramis and I were linked to my new avatar when it was uploaded to the Board the url was the same, but then it would be, wouldn't it? But the two links (from my profile and from Aramis') are completely separate events, held against our individual profiles. They just happen to point to the same address. That's why zmjezhd's explanation isn't correct. No action on my part could affect Aramis' profile information, including his choice of avatar.
I still don't know, accepting that Aramis didn't deliberately choose my new avatar and link to it, why the link occurred.
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Apologies, zmjezhd, you are quite correct. It still doesn't explain why the board continued to show Aramis with the kiwi for half a day afterwards. Surely it doesn't cache images with every page ...
I would have overwritten the original gif with the new one when I uploaded it. (I didn't check the address details so Aramis lost his old avatar and "adopted" mine.)
I do owe Aramis an apology in the instance of the second avatar in that case.
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Having this cataclysm sorted out and the apologies are much appreciated. There certainly were unwarranted conclusions reached during all this. Perhaps a suggestion to alter the system to make the images unique to each member could be useful? From this end, only one selection was ever made, and without any sort of malicious intent.
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