yeahbut she's got a point Dale. What on earth is this kind of thread about? This board is an equal-privilege open discussion forum, and I agree with OT that you're in danger of abusing it. If you genuinely want some help or feedback, you've got to give something as well as take. Otherwise don't be surprised if all you get is a bit fat raspberry - or in OT's case, mebbe a Bronx cheer!