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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Page 2 of 3 1 2 3 Re: defensing #150635 11/20/05 03:09 PM Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 2,788 Seattle, Washington, USA Father Steve OP Carpal Tunnel OP Father Steve Carpal Tunnel Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 2,788 Seattle, Washington, USA Taunt all you like for the Fighting Cougars of Washington State University vanquished the scruffy Dawgs of the University of Washington, 26-22. All is well with the world and we may now proceed to observe the Christ the King Sunday. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: defensing #150636 11/20/05 03:33 PM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York Quote: Is the accent on the first syllable, as it is in the noun in a sports context? No pronuciation is given for the word. Maybe Fr Steve remembers the pronunciation from the broadcast. I see no problem with verbifying this noun; it seems a pretty handy distinction, just as offensing would mean something completely different from offending. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: defensing #150637 11/20/05 03:36 PM Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont I would guess a slight accent on the fens part. formerly known as etaoin... Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: defensing #150638 11/20/05 04:21 PM Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 3,467 Marion NC TEd Remington Carpal Tunnel TEd Remington Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 3,467 Marion NC So why isn't it defencing on the other side of the pond? I found a bunch of sites with UK extensions in the URL which had defensing. Also I found several sites with the c which had things like "defencing and attacking". Seems to me that all defencing or defensing do as opposed to defending is to go one more step towards shitty English. But I guess sports English is to English like gullah is to English. Have at it, folks, and when you get to the point where no one understands what the other person means then perhaps some few of you will go back to some plain common-sense rules. Still don't see any reason to verb a noun when the ver already exists. grumble, mumble, fade to silence. TEd Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: defensing #150639 11/20/05 04:38 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Quote: Still don't see any reason to verb a noun when the ver already exists. grumble, mumble, fade to silence. What's the verb that "defense" is replacing? Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: defensing #150640 11/21/05 05:09 PM Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 22 Vermont, USA Dean_Whitlock stranger Dean_Whitlock stranger Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 22 Vermont, USA Quote: I see no problem with verbifying this noun... According to Calvin and Hobbes, the verb form of verb is "verb", as in "I like to verb words." (Said by Calvin.) Therefore, the correct useage would be "I see no problem with verbing this noun..." Let us not compound the solecism! Back to the original question, I would say that the correct expression would simply have been "...defending against..." The defensive player is not in support of the play (defending it), he is against the play (defending against it). Besides, I think it sounds more correct. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: defensing #150641 11/21/05 05:19 PM Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh The OED1 has verbify from 1813, and nary hair nor hide of its synonym verb qua verb. I see usage of neither as a solecism, but more a matter of choice. Ceci n'est pas un seing. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: defensing #150642 11/21/05 05:21 PM Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont perhaps the sportscaster is telling us that the defender is doing more than just his part; he is working within the larger defensive strategy. a sort of meta-defense. formerly known as etaoin... Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: defensing #150643 11/21/05 07:15 PM Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 22 Vermont, USA Dean_Whitlock stranger Dean_Whitlock stranger Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 22 Vermont, USA Quote: perhaps the sportscaster is telling us that the defender is doing more than just his part; he is working within the larger defensive strategy. a sort of meta-defense. Hmm, perhaps, but I've never thought of sportscasters as meta sort of people... As to "verbify," I am astounded! I have never heard it before today. And in 1813? This verbification business goes back farther than I thought! I suppose I shouldn't be surprised; languages never stop changing, and the sportscasters among us never tire of creating new words, forms, and uses when they can't remember or don't know the existing terms and expressions. Does the OED also have "verb" as a verb? That would surprise me even more. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: defensing #150644 11/21/05 07:30 PM Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 3,467 Marion NC TEd Remington Carpal Tunnel TEd Remington Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 3,467 Marion NC Quote: Does the OED also have "verb" as a verb? That would surprise me even more. nope. TEd Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Page 2 of 3 1 2 3 Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------  Information and announcements  Q&A about words  Wordplay and fun  Words and languages in schools  Miscellany  Weekly Themes  Looking for (writers, speakers,... (Old) Weekly themes. 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