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#148154 09/23/05 09:06 AM
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What is the difference (if any) between "all" and "all of" in a phrase such as "please take all/all of your belongings with you"?

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I'd say no difference. (Or same difference if our prescrips would let me get away with it)


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At a nickel a word it's five cents versus ten cents. But other than that there's no difference.



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"All of the ——" can usually be rewritten as "All the ——," "All ——," or "Every ——."

~From the :Guide to Grammar and Style" by Jack Lynch, Rutgers University
http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/Writing/a.html



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I'm sure it can be rewritten, but why bother?



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1. All of the bottles are on the table.
2. All the bottles are on the table.
3. All bottles are on the table.
4. All are on the table.
5. None of the bottles are on the table.
6. *None the bottles are on the table.
7. None are on the table.
8. *None bottles are on the table.
9. No bottles are on the table.
10. Some of the bottles are on the table.
11. Some bottles are on the table.
12. Some are on the table.




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I remember a grammar teacher in my dim distant past telling me that, when struggling with the use of "none", one ought think of it as the two-word phrase "not one."


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I remember a grammar teacher in my dim distant past telling me that, when struggling with the use of "none", one ought think of it as the two-word phrase "not one."

Not one are on the table ???

Not one is on the table

None is, none are: either, or which?



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For many speakers of English, the indefinite pronoun none is not synonymous with the phrase not one. This argument from etymology would yield such rules as "one ought to think of not as ne wight (no being)."



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I write with such hesitation, knowing that I will inspire the wrath and disapprobation of some rabid descriptivist by presuming to think such thoughts as these about the English language. But, insel, you asked.

"None" is an indefinite pronoun. A singular pronoun takes a singular verb. A plural pronoun takes a plural verb. None may be thought of as either singular or plural, wherein lies the rub. If one thinks of "none" as the two-word phrase "not one", one will use a singular verb. If one thinks of "none" as the two-word phrase "not any", one will use a plural verb.

None (not one) of the students is going to the assembly.
None (not any) of the students are going to the assembly.

None of the fruit is ripe.
None (not any) of the fruits are ripe.
None (not one) of the fruits is ripe.

Of course, if it doesn't matter to you, then it doesn't matter.


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