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#143694 06/07/05 10:10 PM
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> I am reading "Ancient Egypt, Light of the World" by Gerald Massey. Amongst
> other things, he explores the roots of words tracing back through the
> hieroglyphs. When I look in our dictionaries, however, I find few if any
> references to the root words as Egyptian. For the most part we get Latin,
> Greek, French, German, English, American Indian, etc. I'd guess that this
> is a cultural bias of Western Civilization. I'm wondering if there is an
> Egyptian dictionary and what it would have to say about the derivation of
> words.
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> To give you an idea of Massey's extensive work I will include the following
> excerpt concerning the word Totem which is to be found in its entirety in
> this link:
> [1]Book 2- Totemism, Tattoo and fetishism as forms of sign-language - Part
> of Ancient Egypt - The Light of the World by Gerald M.
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> Totemism originated in Sign-language rather than in Sociology, the Signs
> being afterwards applied for use in Sociology as they were in Mythology and
> Fetishism. The name "Totem" is supposed to have originated in the language
> of the North American Indians. The word Totem exists in the Ojibway language
> for a sign, a symbol, mark, or device of the group, Gens, or Tribe. The Rev.
> Peter Jones, an Ojibway, spells the word "Toodaim". Francis Assikinack, an
> Ottawa Indian, renders it by Ododam. The Abb¨¦ Thavenet, quoting from the
> Algonkin language, gives nind Otem for "my tribe", and kit Otem for "thy
> tribe". The root of the word as here rendered is Tem or Dem. The name and
> things thus denoted are found to be universal for a group, a gathering, a
> collection, a total of persons, animals, huts or houses. The Magar Thum is
> the Phratry or Clan, of which there were twelve altogether. The Attic
> township was called a Dem. The Sanskrit Dama is the home; Greek Domos, Latin
> Domus, Sclavonic Domu, English Dome. Itembe = the dome is the roof in
> Niamwezi. In Zulu the Tumu is an assemblage. In Maori, the Tamene is a
> collection of people. Also the Toma is a cemetery like the Scottish Tom, and
> the Tumuli where the dead were gathered together. Tomo, in archaic Japanese,
> denotes a gathering of persons who are companions. In Assyrian, likewise,
> the Timi are the companions. As is usual in the present work, we turn to
> Egypt to see what the great Mother of Civilisation has to say concerning the
> Tem and the Totem.
> ¦³¦Ø¦̀ (Tom) in Coptic signified joining together as in the Tem. The word
> "Tern" has various applications in Egyptian. It signifies Man, Mankind,
> Mortals, also to unite, be entire or perfect. Moreover it is a name for
> those who are created persons, as in making young men and young women in the
> Totemic ceremonies, of which more hereafter. If ever the word "created"
> could be properly applied to the Making of Men and to those who were grouped
> together, it is in Totemism. In Egyptian, Tem, or Tem-t, is not only a Total
> and to be totalled.The sign of Tem-t in the Hieroglyphics is the figure of a
> total composed of two halves; [EgyptOne53.gif] thus the Tern is one with the
> Total, and the Total comprised two halves at the very point of bifurcation
> and dividing of the whole into two; also of totalling a number into a whole
> which commences with twofold unity. And when the youths of the Aborigines on
> the River Darling are made men of in the ceremonies of puberty - that is,
> when they are created Men - they are called Tumba. (F. Bonney.) It would
> seem as if the word ,¡±Tem¡± for the total in two halves had been carried by
> name as well as by nature to the other side of the world, for two classes in
> St. George's Sound are universally called Erinung and Tern. The whole body
> of natives are divided into these two moieties. The distinctions, says Nind,
> are general, not tribal. They agree, however, with the Arunta division into
> two classes of the Churinga at the head of the Totems which represent the
> sub-divisional distinctions. (Scott Nind, Journal of Royal Geographical
> Society, Vol. I., 1832.) The Egyptian Tem is also a place-name as well as a
> personal name for the social unit, or division of persons. The Temai was a
> District, a Village, a Fortress, [Page 54] a Town or a City, on the way to
> becoming the Dom, as we have it in the heirdom and the kingdom, for the
> whole or total that is governed by a King. But the group-name for people
> preceded the group-name for a collection of dwellings, whether for the
> living or the dead. Here the "Tern" is a total, as we have it in English for
> a "team" of horses, a brood of ducks, a litter of pigs. Egypt itself had
> passed out of the Totemic stage of Sociology in monumental times, but the
> evidences for its prehistoric existence are visibly extant in the
> place-names and in the mirror of Mythology which reflects aloft a
> pre-monumental past of illimitable length. In Egypt the Zootypes of the
> Motherhoods and Companionships had become the Totems of the Nomes
>
> I'd appreciate your comments.
>
> Joe Lamando
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> References
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> 1. http://www.theosophical.ca/Book2AncientEgypt.htm



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Hi Joe
Ummm. I got lost in the middle somewhere. Is the author saying that all of these words from Maori, Sanscrit, Japanese and Ojibway are linguistic descendants of one Egyptian root? It seems like a pretty broad claim to me but then like I said it's too deep for me and I foundered and sank somewhere in the middle of the passage.


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i too, don't read as well from a screen as i do from paper (i see the 60hz flickers..yeah, i know humans aren't supposed to be able too.. but..)

the only 'word' i know from ancient eygpt is the name
susanna.. (the hebrew is Shoshana and is very close to the what they think the ancient egyptian sounded like (based on other names transliterations.. (ie, cleopatra, tut, etc..) based on there Rosetta stone knowledge base.

i don't know enough about the language group that modern or ancient egyptian to know if it is a semite language (like modern hebrew or arabic) or some other group..

but anything you have to offer will be interesting!


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Welcome aBoard, joe.
The Sanskrit Dama is the home; Greek Domos, Latin
> Domus, Sclavonic Domu, English Dome.

! Domicile! Gotta be the same root.

Hey, eta, didja see your word? Bifurcation is in there.



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> bifurcation

heh. thanks, jackie.



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The only word which comes to us from Ancient Egypt (apart from words to do with Egyptology) is alchemy. (Al Arabic article + chemy < Kmt Egyptian word for Egypt).

However, your reference is from the works of Gerald Massey, a 19th century theosophist. At the time he was writing it was anthropological orthodoxy that all civilisation derived from Egypt. Most, if not all, anthropologists do not subscribe to that theory now.

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I have no idea on the scholastic credentials underlying this Bing, but some places suggest other words too - for example:

http://www.krysstal.com/borrow_egyptian.html

What d'ja think?


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Trying to do umpteen different things at once, I did miss out the essential words "off the top of my head".

A search of the etymologies in the online AHD for Egyptian gives the following:
http://www.bartleby.com/cgi-bin/texis/webinator/ahdsearch?search_type=etym&query=Egyptian&db=ahd&Submit=Search

Can anyone do something similar with an electronic OED?

I cross-checked mummy, which the Krysstal site lists as being of Egyptian origin. The AHD traces it back to the Persian for wax. Looking at the page for words originating from Malay, I can see some mistakes.

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One of the words that Massey deals extensively with is KRST which he writes Karast. This is the word referring to the mummy. He equates this to Kristos= Christ. The Egyptians in their rites (Book of the Dead) held that the highest mortal attainment, 7th level of soul, was indicated in the mumification. This would be Christhood. Needless to say this was not a popular notion, it being several millenia before Jesus, however he gives convincing evidence of this. Horus was the equivalent of Jesus according to Massey.


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One of the words that Massey deals extensively with is KRST which he writes Karast. This is the word referring to the mummy.

How interesting that, in the 1932 Universal picture "The Mummy," the eponymous character, played by Boris Karloff, was named "Karis".


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