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> Euafrasia
Is that a new comedy show?
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>> Euafrasia
Is that a new comedy show?
You never heard of non-rhotic?
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If memory serves, Asia was originally just a small province in what we now know as the middle east, but then Africa was originally just a small province on the southern shore of the Mediterranean Sea.
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If memory serves... originally...
Must... resist...
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> You never heard of non-rhotic?
izzat a rhotorical question?
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izzat a rhotorical question?
The Lynnwood Rhotory meets for lunch every Wednesday at noon. I don't know if they permit questions of the guest speaker or not.
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Here in China, there is one school named itself NewOriental. It got on in preparing students' English for them to study abroad. Later NewOriental rolled up so much money that even ETS began to tangle with it for confliction of interests.
Here, no one has ever thought Oriental offensive, even without "New".
So, interesting and fancy to know it's indeed an offending word.
I’m learning English. If u find anywhere I can improve my composition, Pls do let me know. Bow.
Do inform me if you see any corrections needed in my written English. 
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is seen as eurocentric. "East" of what? But the same could be said with referring to The West.
I've never referred to people as an orientals. I just grew up always saying asian. I'm not sure why. It could be a mil-brat thing. It would take me some effort to not use asian.
It also occurs to me that the word oriental might have some negative connotation of mystery which some people feel may feed into a stereotype. I've argued with several of my friends on this one - with mixed results - that asians in america at least are reaping the fruit of seeds planted not just by whites, but also by asians in history. But even if the argument is correct, I'm not sure why asian would be a preferred term.
OTOH, It would be enough for me that someone ask me not to call them an oriental. I would try to avoid the term in their presence. OTOOH, I tend to forget things pretty easily.
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In The Rope Eater by Ben Jones, a story of Arctic exploration set in American Civil War times, the ship's engine tender is a Muslim man named Aziz who has three hands.
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The Other Other Hand
Would that be the othest hand?
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Hi, callithump. Thanks for your opinion; it's very important to know what a Chinese person thinks! I never really thought about it before, so thanks to all for your opinions.
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nah, Fong, it'ud be otherate jest like orientate
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>otherate
Since this plague is spreading, I'll jump in and ask if a disease that required the severance of said hand would be described as termanual?
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I come late to this discussion, and after an absence of many months.
Is it not true that the term WOG (favored by the Brits (oops) I believe) incorporates the term "oriental" in a pejorative/racist sense? (Worthy Oriental Gentleman). During my time in London I believe I recall the term used to refer to both those from India and Pakistan (although the favored slur for the latter was "Paki")
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While I have an ethical duty not to permit the use of racist terms in the courtroom, I wouldn't go so far as to say that "Oriental" is one of them. Am I wrong?
That depends on the nationality of the defense attorney.
Since the defense attorney was Korean, his reaction could have been genuine.
If the defense attorney had not been Asian, you would have been correct in dismissing his objection summarily as patently contrived.
Only an Oriental could be offended by the use of the word "Oriental" to describe an Oriental since the the word is purely descriptive, and not disrespectful, within the vocabulary of a non-Oriental who has no reason to be be knowledgeable about subtle differences, physical or otherwise, between Orientals from different countries within the Orient.
An Oriental might perceive an insult where none exists only because he believes that everyone should be able to distinguish between Orientals from different countries just as he does. However, this is an unrealistic expectation.
A person who does not live in the tropics can be forgiven for describing all tropical plants as "tropical" because he or she doesn't know the specific name of the plant in question. This is not an insult to the plant or to those who know the individual names of all tropical plants.
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The problem with this thesis is that most asians cannot reliably discern the home of origin of other asians without hearing them speak their native tongue or noticing their dress. (In the same way, a caucasian can't reliably discern that another person is French or German without a clue.)
If one asian sees another all he knows is he sees another asian - and, in fact, even they sometimes make the bigger mistake of not being able to distinguish some south americans from asians.
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discern that another person is French or German without a clue
Easy. Germans without a clue look dumber than other Germans.
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