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Thinking about Father Steve's 'question' sent me down a track that surprised me. See what all-y'all think... So if I pursue my quarry in different guises, am I a. hunting a square windowpane (derived from the Latin quadrus) b. hunting a hearty beast’s entrails (derived from the Latin cor) c. hunting a skinny animal’s entrails (derived from the Latin corium) d. hunting a hole in the ground (derived from the Latin quadrum) e. or some strange mishmash of conflicting etymology?! quarry1
- noun (pl. quarries) an open excavation in the earth’s surface from which stone or other materials are extracted.
verb (quarries, quarried) 1 extract from a quarry. 2 cut into (rock or ground) to obtain stone or other materials.
— DERIVATIVES quarrier noun.
— ORIGIN Old French quarriere, from Latin quadrum ‘a square’.
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/quarry_1?view=uk
Quarry2
- noun (pl. quarries) 1 an animal being hunted. 2 a person or thing being chased or sought.
— ORIGIN originally denoting the parts of a deer placed on a hide for the hounds: from Old French couree, from Latin cor ‘heart’.
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/quarry_2?view=uk
quarry3
- noun (pl. quarries) 1 a diamond-shaped pane in a lattice window. 2 (also quarry tile) an unglazed floor tile.
— ORIGIN alteration of QUARREL2, which originally denoted a lattice windowpane
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/quarry_3?view=uk
Main Entry: 1quar•ry
Pronunciation: 'kwor-E, 'kwär-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural quarries
Etymology: Middle English querre entrails of game given to the hounds, from Middle French cuiree, from cuir skin, hide (on which the entrails were placed), from Latin corium -- more at CUIRASS
(Etymology: Middle English curas, from Middle French curasse, from Late Latin coreacea, feminine of coreaceus leathern, from Latin corium skin, leather; akin to Old English heortha deerskin, Latin cortex bark, Greek keirein to cut ) (see http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=cuirass)
1 obsolete : a heap of the game killed in a hunt
2 : GAME; specifically : game hunted with hawks
3 : one that is sought or pursued : PREY
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=quarry
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Okay, Hunter Man, I just quarried a new-to-me definition for query: a name for the question mark itself. But I'm OT here; sorry for the query.
Thanks for the name for those diamond-shaped panes.
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and a second thank you for the diamond shape window panes defination.. i have a stained glass window (24 X36 (inches ) or so panel --made up of 6 'tiles' (each 12X12) with a center piece (3 rectangles, 3 disks) of painted, decorated glass, and a border of diamond shaped peices. it had been a functioning window in my house, i removed it when i moved, and my intention (as yet unrealized) it to have it framed in a deep box, and to place electic lights behind it, to illuminate the the design.
i didn't know the diamond shapes had a specific name.
i removed the stained glass panal because i had constructed it, and i didn't want to leave it behind.
It didn't open but was positioned on south facing wall of the house, and illuminated the room it was in.
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You're most welcome!
But what is going on here?
Q1: How come COED def #2 gives the origin for this version of the word as from the Latin for heart where another dictionary gives it derived from the leather on which the slippery offering was presented to the dogs?
Q2: When did the meaning get transferred from 'bits you feed your hunting dogs' to 'the animal they chase in order to get the treat'?
Q3: Is this a prize example of three homophonic terms that mean different things and have a different (although possibly sometimes linked) etymology?
Q4: Who's hidden my incarnadine OED disk, and what blazingsaddle developed their 'timeout, reinstall' dongle, the child of nature?!
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> nothing to see here...
don't you hate when that happens...
formerly known as etaoin...
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Helen, I thought this had been mentioned before here, so I did a Search; look how apropos Dr. Bill's post was:
From a dictionary of mathematical terms:
"Ahe word parallelogram, according to its etymology, signifies parallel lines; it no more
suits the figure of four sides than it does that of six, of eight, &c. which have their opposite
sides parallel. In like manner, the word parallelopipedon signifies parallel planes; it no more
designates the solid with six faces, than the solid with eight, ten, &c. of which the opposite
faces are parallel. The names parallelogram and parallelelopipedon*, have the additional
inconvenience of being very long. Perhaps, therefore, it would be advantageous to banish them
altogether from geometry; and to substitute in their stead, the names rhombus and rhomboid,
retaining the term lozenge, for quadrilaterals whose sides are all equal. http://wordsmith.org/board/showthreaded.pl?Cat=&Board=words&Number=79849
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In reply to:
Q1: How come COED def #2 gives the origin for this version of the word as from the Latin for heart where another dictionary gives it derived from the leather on which the slippery offering was presented to the dogs?
Q2: When did the meaning get transferred from 'bits you feed your hunting dogs' to 'the animal they chase in order to get the treat'?
Allow me to obviousize for a moment on the heart of the matter: These are by and large visceral concerns: the hunt, blood, the means of getting the blood up, the eventual death of the prey or quarry, the excitement at the moment of death, the ripping of skin, the sport itself. It is very interesting to see the supposed origins of these finally related terms all converging smack dab in the middle of a single word quarry. Perhaps the easiest one to understand is the one you mention in which the treats become the prey itself, the association is closely united finally, isn't it? The object becomes the reward, at least in the minds of those trying to manipulate behavior in dogs. Really, Mav': thank you very much for digging into this one. If quarry comes from heart, it's no wonder when considering how there are those who would eat another's heart out--and I remember tsuwm's quoting here some country lyric about stompin' that sucker flat...
Edit: Oh, and a favor to ask of any who write on this thread: Can we avoid off-color, sexual, and profane words on this thread, not that there was in any way a development going that way? Reason: I teach "Most Dangerous Game" in April. I'd love to send my kids to this thread just to get a taste of how words come about since quarry is a vocabulary word in that story. If we don't use any sexual or profane words here, we'll be able to open this one at school. Most threads are fine on AWAD, but sometimes certain ones can't be opened--and I would love to have this one available. Anyway, if possible, thanks.
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you know, WW, what you have just done?
You are right, most thread here are G rated, but now, by asking us to KEEP this one G rated--it like telling someone, 'what ever you do, don't think about the pink elephant'--and it just about guarentees, the only thing on our mind, will be the pink elephant!
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jackie, after i made my post about my stained glass window, i thought about lozenge.. and double checked, and realised, i had looked it up before..
WW has started on offshoot of Quarry thread, and i posted about lozenge there.(again)
but just like last time, no one finds the word interesing- oh, well--but i admit, i haven't had much of an opportunity to use the word myself.
but this time i didn't post all the meanings.. so thanks for the link!
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Yes, of troy, I realized that, but, hope against hope, I thought, "What a terrific thread for my kids to read about the problems inherent in etymology--and with the boon of having a specific word on their vocabulary list!" I hope the pink elephants will remain in their little pink cages. If not, oh, well. I'll learn to shut up.
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No problem with your T&C dub2... :)
Let's see whether anyone has anything they can add about the etymology.
(but that assumes someone comes up with anything vaguely on topic, perish the tort!)
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At the risk of using a once-pejorative term, there's that WW II German boxer, Jerry Quarry.
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harrrrrrrumph! ®on special loan from the Ithaca Special Projects Division
So no-one's got any information they can quarry for me?
sheesh, I'd better take my future language queries to a ferkin baseball site mutter mutter mutter...
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no-one's got any information What're you whinging about? You said yourself they're all from Latin! What else is there to know?
To those who might not know: maverick and I are great friends. He will take this as the teasing it is.
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> What else is there to know?
Try reading my second post already! There are three (4) questions listed explicitly, because I can't figure out reliably what has happened with this series of meanings/words/roots, and for one of the definitions two dictionaries disagree. Since I don't have current OED access either...
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:: patting mav's hand ::
There, there, dear. It'll be all right.
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Thanks Spartakiss :{}
Meanwhile, I've fig-erred where I went wrong: I shoulda posted it down in Miss-uh-laney since it's plainly a Question...! :)
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