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>>>and yeah, there was this, mumble, mumble, attempted invation of Canada, mumble mumble..
HA!!! Thanks of troy, that made me laugh.
I agree with you that you can disagree with what was done in the past but the important part is making sure that they don't repeat themselves, eh!
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What a lovely thread, guys - I just read it all with a gentle grin on my face (having been shut out of it for a couple of days due to one of those strange gremlins I still get on this site) Celebrating difference without animosity does work. :)
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>in our schools in the deep south we learned of the bravery of the Canadian soldiers and of their high ratio of representation to the mutual cause of freedom in WWII
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I will take that cum grano salis, having been educated in the south, though not THAT deep. US-Virginia history, which was required where I went to HS, did not mention Canada much at all, and certainly didn't laud the Canadians for their contributions to our freedom. Of course it didn't dis them, either.
>I wouldn't bother insulting our friends the Canadians if I did not admire them greatly and think them worth saving, would I?
I admire them and think they are worth saving, ergo I will insult them. Themilum, that's arrant bullcrap. What do you do to people you don't admire or don't think are worth saving? And what the heck makes you think that the Canadians NEED saving, anyway?
I'll tell you what I think, themilum. I think you just like the anonymity of the internet so you can get your jollies by going around insulting people without getting your head pounded in, not that such would be your fate in your town there in Mississippi or Alabama or hwerehever it is you hail from. Nope, you go and insult some of those good ol' boys down there to theirs face and they're pretty likely gonna kick your ass until your nose bleeds!
PLEASE! Think about the effects of what you say. Putting a smily face after an insult or coming back later when you've been confronted to say you were only kidding does not detract from the hurt you inflict on others, particularly when, as in this case, your criticism is groundless. [/rant]
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What a lovely thread, guys - I just read it all with a gentle grin on my face (having been shut out of it for a couple of days due to one of those strange gremlins I still get on this site) Celebrating difference without animosity does work. :) ___________________________________________________________ Look TEd, Mister Maverick got back from this thread the light-hearted spirit that he brought to this thread. I, for one, wish I had included in my posts some nice, clever, corny, puns. ________________________  Have a nice day _______________________
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Ted, i don't always get themilum humor.. (and he has had several PM's from me) since some of his comments seemed so harsh
(yeah, i know, kettle calling the pot black--i know i have sufferered from bad cases of viperous tongue)
but i have also figured out, most often, milo is being sly, and witty, (and sometimes we miss that, because his tongue is stuck so firmly in his cheek as to make his words hard to understand!
and sometimes, too, TEd, i hate it when an interesting thread goes off topic, and turns into yet another Pun fest.
i don't always get milo's humor, but i enjoy it (when i do get it) better than puns.
Chalk and Cheese-- or what ever pair of opposites you'd like..
i like gritty chalk (crossing thread), i have never had the urge to eat dirt, but i like the old tums. i really like the dry hard grittiness of them. and occational eat one or two as snack.. (and a good sourse of calcium!) --
interesting isn't? dairy food and cheese is another good source of calcium.. they have something in common..but they are different as can be.
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>, most often, milo is being sly, and witty, (and sometimes we miss that, because his tongue is stuck so firmly in his cheek as to make his words hard to understand!
Most often he's being the sort of spoiled brat who thinks causing pain is fun, and grows up to be a serial killer, wondering why nobody else gets his "jokes". That is, of course, assuming that such a person grows up. No sign of that here.
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And a good morning to you too Vernon Compton. We didn't rest very well last night now did we, Vernon? Well, treat yourself to a doughnut and a glass of warm milk, and take take a Happy Slumber Pill and go take a little nap. Then, when you wake up, go over to your computer and erase all those nasty personal things you said about the Milum. You'll feel oh-so-much better, because at heart, I'm sure, you are not a bitter man. 
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aaaw, come on, Vern, don't tell you also believe the Swift was advocating cannabalizism when he wrote his suggestion for the 'solution' of the irish "problem"?
(i am brain dead at the moment, and can't remember the name of the essay--but someone here will supply it, if needed)
i think Milo plays the devils advocate (with relish!)because he's afraid of being caught out as the liberal he is, --what with him living right in the buckle of the (US) bible belt!
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Bible belt. And then a good bit northward, there's the snow belt. The farm belt must be in the midwest.
A very overweight nation we are with so many bellies held in place by so many belts. Being double- or triple-chinned is one thing, but being triple-bellied? Gulp.
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Too, too funny, tsuwm.
In the spirit of having your most complete record, here are the bellies in order:
Belly #1: rumen
Belly #2: reticulem
Belly #3: omasum
Belly #4: abomasum
*All of the above belly terms from tsuwm's site where he sends you from one to the other backwards.
...and you thought taphonomy was too technical?
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Getting back to the original question, there are a number of words which might cover an over-eager love of one's country, but the most dangerous one is "Fascist". Fascism is characterised by an almost mystical (and generally unhealthy) view of one's country as "the best". And it's coming back after a half-century of slumber. If Themilum was joking about Canada and its relationship to the US, I can only say it was in bad taste given what's going down these days. Words just like his are being bandied about quite seriously by a lot of people, mostly from the US, of real ill-will. Love of country is an interesting emotion (when it's not being used to justify some war). I "love" New Zealand, but in a rather abstract way. New Zealanders are typically laconic about patriotism, preferring not to wave banners or sing anthems or salute the flag - except at sporting events involving Australia. I have a T-shirt which has "I support two teams - New Zealand and anyone playing Australia" on the back.  But I think that New Zealanders do not really feel the need to display patriotism in the same way that the US (and, increasingly, Australia) does. It's just a given. Having said that, I was at Gallipoli in Turkey last year for the Anzac Day celebrations, and I have to say that I felt quite patriotic that day. Not against anyone else, just proud to be a New Zealander. Up to 15% of New Zealanders are out of the country at any given time and many of us either have dual nationality or are long-term residents in other countries. I'll be taking up British citizenship (while retaining my New Zealand citizenship) later this year, and I don't feel any real sense of conflict (except when the French give the English their annual hiding at rugby). As for the etymology of the use of "American" to describe citizens of the US, WW and the others who agreed with her are exactly right. It's a contraction which came into use simply because the US doesn't have a simple "name" in the same way that Canada, Australia or Great Britain do. I don't think it generally causes any confusion on the other sides of either pond. If people say they are American, most people assume that they are from the US. I usually say "I'm a Kiwi". I don't remember the last time I had to clarify that. I suppose it's down to my long beak and big feet ... But recently I have noticed an increasing prevalence of people not bothering to say that they from the US at all. They say "I'm from Indiana" or "I'm from South Carolina". While it might bespeak a certain arrogance - an assumption that people know that these states are part of the US - I find it saves the two-question hit: "Where are you from?" closely followed by "Which state?" And I have noticed a lot of maple leaves around USns lately, too.
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> big feet ...
... placed so artfully, Pfranz!
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"Getting back to the original question, there are a number of words which might cover an over-eager love of one's country, but the most dangerous one is "Fascist". Fascism is characterised by an almost mystical (and generally unhealthy) view of one's country as "the best". And it's coming back after a half-century of slumber. If Themilum was joking about Canada and its relationship to the US, I can only say it was in bad taste given what's going down these days. Words just like his are being bandied about quite seriously by a lot of people, mostly from the US, of real ill-will." - Capfka,
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Perhaps Capfka, you will share the words of bad taste that you hear bandied about by me and the people of the United States these days.
Perhaps it is poor taste for you to drop such open-ended comments in a paragraph of which the subject is "Fascists and Fascism".
Make your point.
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Do you know, Milo, I believe I already have?
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Yes, Capfka, I guess you have.
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can't remember the name of the essay
A Modest Proposal
Thanks to everyone for their input on my first question. It seems there really is not a single word to exclusively describe the citizenry of the U.S.A. ‘Citizen of the U.S.A.’ is about as wieldy a term as we can get.
Regarding my second question: unfortunately, I still do not think we have found the right word for what I had in mind. Perhaps such a word does not exist. Nevertheless, thanks for your input on that question too.
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