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Hi,

we (a couple of researchers from the linguistics department at Stanford University) are looking for a participants in an online study on English questions. Only NATIVE SPEAKERs of ENGLISH can participate (if you're not a native speaker, pls refrain from participating).

We are interested in your native speaker intuitions (not prescriptive rules of grammar) regarding certain types of questions and statements. This is an exploratory study, so unfortunately we cannot afford to offer any funding.

If you nevertheless would like to help us (and the progress of science ;-), please send us an email at:

suvresearch_prin2n3@yahoo.com

We will then point you to our online experiment,

Thx a lot for your interest!

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boy, these guys haven't been paying any attention and have no fappin' idea what these forums are all about!

[wink, wink]

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boy ;-), actually a friend of mine who is quite active in this list recommended posting on this list to me, since people here would be interested in language in general.

If that is not the case, I apologize for spaming this list. In any case, if you ARE interested in language, maybe you will find our experiments interesting.

Regards,
Florian


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say Florian, your friend wouldn't be "milum" by any chance?

-joe "shot in the dark" friday


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Just out of curiosity, why would Stanford have a Yahoo address?


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oh Windy, don't be cynical.

I was wondering about the SUVresearch, myownself.

(humor us, we've had some real beauts post their spam here.)


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I'd say Word has a point.


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Oh, tSunny, I was humoring you.


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Well--his website looks legit to me. Though there didn't appear to be any way to sign up from that; just a note to check back around Jan. 15th.


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What is it folks, are we becoming cowed by con men to the point where we we hide in our caves in fear of latter day Neanderthals?

So now I, the milum, will step out from behind our rock and confront these fast talking apemen with raised club.

Stand back, women, children, and girley men, see now!
The great milum goes forth!


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Well, if it's legit, I'd be interested in learning more about it and possibly participating.

Milo, you wearing an animal skin or a fig leaf?


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Guys, calm down (but thx for the publicity, hehe). I explained to wordwind why we use a yahoo address (it's a shared account for all researchers working on this project).

If you look me up on the Stanford pages, you will find Florian Jaeger, Linguistics department, etc.

Whoever is interested in participating in our experiment (native speakers only!) will hear from us over the next couple of days,

Florian


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=), to make it even clearer that I am legit I changed the text on my website

http://www.stanford.edu/~tiflo/

to include the email address I gave in my post in this forum.

Nice club though,

Florian


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Thank you, tiflo. Your site is impressive, to say the least. You will probably have a few here interested in participating. Thanks for fishing here.


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we'll wait with baited breath...



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..word..


****

But.... what if I speak *American?

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> But.... what if I speak *American?

Just try harder.

> "we will need native speakers of American English."


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NATIVE SPEAKERs of ENGLISH

yup, you have to assume one of two things; either the native is American or the english is American. or that you can ascertain the origin of the post.

one of three things? two of three things?? just another example of why you should never assume!?

or that America is coextensive with the USA (to wit, does not include Canada and/or Mexico), or that all of the above are included, or not disincluded, by the original post, or...)

English is such a [gray]grey[/gray] language.

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> [gray]grey[/gray]

:}


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I think he meant [grey]gray[/grey]


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[grey]gray[/grey]

Hard to tell from here, it's engraved on a grey blackground.


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I assumed English was native to England. Just another example...


... or was the post altered since last I looked?

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If you had been born into an English-speaking family who lived in a non-English-speaking country, you'd still be considered to be a native speaker of English if that was your natural language.

It reminds me of musicians I've heard speaking of their 'natural' instrument, meaning the one on which they'd first learned to play--that is, if they'd learned primarily on one instument in the beginning of their work. When I studied violin late in life, I automatically *saw and *heard things pianistically, and it took a long while before I began to *see and *hear thing violinistically.


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Hi, Florian. I'll be most happy to participate. Back in my yeut, I worked on similar surveys for LAGS (sorta like DARE but southern). And, any Stanford-connected linguist is a friend of mine! (-:

(Give my regards to Jim Bisso and Geoff Nunburg)



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>Jim Bisso

damn! I knew something sounded familiar...

what's the time commitment to this project?



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It's about 20 minutes including reading the instructions,

Florian


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lol, American, British, Canadian, and even NZ English is most welcome ;-). You will be asked to name where you have grown up anyway (this is important for our analysis later).

Florian


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Thx. I will let them know if I meet them (will they know who AnaStrophic is? =)

Florian


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In reply to:

lol, American, British, Canadian, and even NZ English is most welcome ;-). You will be asked to name where you have grown up anyway (this is important for our analysis later).


I wasn't asked where I grew up. The instructions email said that I would be asked where I acquired my idiolect, but I was not. I also had to say that "I am a native speaker of American English" on the consent form in order to participate. The project itself was interesting, but those were black marks against it, in my opinion. I hope that that the research itself is managed better than the implementation of the survey was.



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We already talked about this. The instructions (if read carefully =), tell you that you should enter where you grew up into the field "Region" once the experiment starts. BTW, we tried to improve the instruction a bit more. so, maybe it's clearer now.

Thx for your participation!

Florian


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> even NZ English

sheesh, you are sitting the bar low :)


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sitting [sic] the bar low

Hey, no mention was made of Oz English.


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My ears mebbe blunt, but I thwart Oz might be more typified by the Seeed~neeeee sound (going the other way), nah?


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Dear teflo, please overlook the recalcitrant here.
I, for one, would very much like to be a part of your study.

And please note, although themilum has been making a liberal use of my computer tonight, believe me, I am not he. (Thank God!)

I will email your test site my email address now.

I think that yours is a wonderful study.


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Aye, that post is from some time back (sorry, for not having checked back earlier). Thx for participating (to you and everyone else in this forum!). So far, approximately 50 people (including several from this forum) have participated in one of our experiments.

That means, we are almost done - I will post one more call for our second experiment here in second for those brave souls among you who simply can't get enough of our lovely Java applets ;-).

Cheers again,

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Hi again,

Believe it or not, but you'll have yet another chance to participate in our studies on questions and statements in English (yes, any kind of English - even Australian English, as long as you are a native speaker of it [I'm afraid, just being native and a speaker but not a native speaker won't be enough]).

So, hoping that you don't mind my occasional stopping by too much, I give you another yahoo address to which you can express you interest (just send us a message with the subject line "interested in study"):

suvresearch@yahoo.com

some of you have already participated in that experiment. If you want to help us anyway you can participate in whatever experiment you did not already participate in (the email address for the other experiment is suvresearch_prin2n3@yahoo.com).

Thank you again for all your help.

Florian
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Just fyi, tilfo: maybe I'm paranoid, but I haven't signed up to participate because I just don't like the idea of having to send in my e-mail first. If I could just click onto the site, I'd feel much more comfortable. Something akin to why I refuse to register with certain newspapers in order to read them on-line, maybe. I think it's more to do with the feeling that, once I've sent my e-mail address, it will no longer be my choice whether to paricipate or not. Just my 2¢.


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More than once on this site, people have offered workarounds, such as http://www.bugmenot.com, why not use them? Or get a throw-away email address specfically for such online use? Asking for an email first is a simple device that helps reduce the rate of bogus or automated participants. There are so many practical steps that can be taken to accoommodate this perfectly reasonable request, without resorting to plaintive hand-wringing.


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> plaintive hand-wringing

oooh, dead man walkin'! Even though they're good suggestions, just as well you're in Australia... :)


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Vernon, re: your first suggestion--I had completely forgotten the existence of such. Thank you for the reminder. As to your second, I couldn't be bothered. Plus, I have this inherent/intrinsic trait that makes me struggle furiously against the restraints of being forced to do something. I want to at least have the option of doing things my way.


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